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 Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:43 pm
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:48 pm
Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:49 pm
Ace Paladin Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Part-Time Viking @Ace: The Black Hand may have pulled the trigger, but Austria-Hungary still started the war.
A war was bound to happen. Europe was a powder keg. If the duke wasn't killed, something else would have started it.
I like to look deep when it comes to reasoning. "Hungary started the war!" is the opinion of someone looking at WWI at face value.
Kinda like Hitler didn't start WWII, the end of WWI did. D:If you get down to it, while Europe was teetering on the war, it still could be pinned on Austria-Hungary for starting the war, The Black Hand just didn't just pull a name out of a hat and decided to assassinate them. They had reasons to do so. Well..they did killed the Duke or was it the Germans? Who knows? All I know is Poland was attacked first and then trench warfare happened and the US didn't enter until 1917.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:53 pm
Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:54 pm
l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. He wasn't so much a natural leader as he was a trained and conditioned leader. Note that the real downfall of the German War Effort in WWII really happened when he tried taking total control over the forces.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:00 pm
l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. As far as I can remember, Hitler was a terrible public speaker. So we took a public speaking class so he can mask his natural speaking ability and voice. I think he was put into jail for speaking against the government, while he was jail he wrote his famous book called Mein Kampf. I am still amazed that the prison even let him write it.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:00 pm
Part-Time Viking l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. He wasn't so much a natural leader as he was a trained and conditioned leader. Note that the real downfall of the German War Effort in WWII really happened when he tried taking total control over the forces. Hm I actually think because he actually went to Russia which was stupid and plus he military strategy was off. He attacked really fast and stopped halfway. Momentum carries especially in a battlefield. He didn't finish the job.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:06 pm
l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. He wasn't so much a natural leader as he was a trained and conditioned leader. Note that the real downfall of the German War Effort in WWII really happened when he tried taking total control over the forces. Hm I actually think because he actually went to Russia which was stupid and plus he military strategy was off. He attacked really fast and stopped halfway. Momentum carries especially in a battlefield. He didn't finish the job. Actually his big mistake was was declaring war with Russia, and the US. Because when he did this he was caught in a 3 front war which is why they lost.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:19 pm
l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. He wasn't so much a natural leader as he was a trained and conditioned leader. Note that the real downfall of the German War Effort in WWII really happened when he tried taking total control over the forces. Hm I actually think because he actually went to Russia which was stupid and plus he military strategy was off. He attacked really fast and stopped halfway. Momentum carries especially in a battlefield. He didn't finish the job. Well, his momentum was stopped more than he stopped it... The train tracks between Europe and Russia were different widths so transporting troops and goods via rail was a pain in the a**.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:28 pm
Part-Time Viking l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking l Xera Kaiba l Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Germany really wasn't doing well.
They got raped before, during, and after WWI.
Europeans hated Jews since they knew of their existence. Hitler was feeding off everyone else's hate.
Theoretically, if people weren't such racist bigots, Hitler could have been a normal leader.
According to what exactly? Your history book from tenth grade? No my friend, Germany was rebounding quite well from the unfair Versailles Treaty. They were no longer in a depression. The issue was more political than it was economic. Things were really up for grabs in terms of leadership. But Germany was not in any way in a bad economic position, despite what the books want us to believe. Germany did have a hard time actually leading itself especially since three political parties were in the area. The Nazi party was really the party for the people since they couldn't actually make their own decisions. And if I'm correct, Hitler wanted to do it because he wasn't anti-semantic, he was a natural born leader. I really don't remember what he was put in jail though.. Sorry, my Soviet knowledge is better than my German history. He wasn't so much a natural leader as he was a trained and conditioned leader. Note that the real downfall of the German War Effort in WWII really happened when he tried taking total control over the forces. Hm I actually think because he actually went to Russia which was stupid and plus he military strategy was off. He attacked really fast and stopped halfway. Momentum carries especially in a battlefield. He didn't finish the job. Well, his momentum was stopped more than he stopped it... The train tracks between Europe and Russia were different widths so transporting troops and goods via rail was a pain in the a**. Wow, I didn't know that, but still it was very stupid for Germany to go to war with Russia, even if thet never had shipping problems..
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:42 am
Ace Paladin Part-Time Viking Ace Paladin Part-Time Viking @Ace: The Black Hand may have pulled the trigger, but Austria-Hungary still started the war.
A war was bound to happen. Europe was a powder keg. If the duke wasn't killed, something else would have started it.
I like to look deep when it comes to reasoning. "Hungary started the war!" is the opinion of someone looking at WWI at face value.
Kinda like Hitler didn't start WWII, the end of WWI did. D:If you get down to it, while Europe was teetering on the war, it still could be pinned on Austria-Hungary for starting the war, The Black Hand just didn't just pull a name out of a hat and decided to assassinate them. They had reasons to do so. I see it this way, there are short term (immediate causes) and long term causes of the war. The short-term/immediate cause of the war was the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by the Black Hand and the declaration of war on Serbia by Austria-Hungary followed by both sides' allies' entering the war due to their alliances. The Long-term cause of the war was the alliance system and the power keg in the Balkans that was prone to conflict at any time and the smallest conflict could cause a major war due to the alliance system. That's how I see it. Hitler was put in jail for his failed coup the 'Beer Hall Putsch' and he wrote Mein Kampf while in there. Germany was effected by the Great Depression like any other country that had ties to US market. Inflation was bad there and the economy and the country's anger toward the harsh punishment from the Versailles treaty all helped Hitler rise to power. Hitler used the Jews as a scapegoat. Viking, I would believe you if only one thing wasn't true. History books outside of a country it's talking about tends to be less biased about other countries. History books tend to be biased about the country it was written in/geared to be used in. I actually learned that if you want more accurate facts about a country's history, don't read their History books. They tend to be biased toward their own country. Hitler's going into Russia the way he did wasn't smart. Had he studied his History, he'd see other failed attempts at Russian conquest that actually failed for similar reasons as he did.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:16 am
Why are we talking about World Wars, I thought this thread was about members of this guild.
Gamers have short attention spans, no?
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:21 am
Nter Why are we talking about World Wars, I thought this thread was about members of this guild. Gamers have short attention spans, no? Yet again, we can pin this wonderful off-topic tangent on something I said. Because I still blame the Austrian-Hungarians.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:22 am
Nter Why are we talking about World Wars, I thought this thread was about members of this guild. Gamers have short attention spans, no? I wish I was on then because I could have ended it much sooner than it did. @Viking: Did you read my post?
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:33 am
Yes, I read it, and I have my research through several years and sources (pre-WWI and the WWI era happen to be my favorite part of history) has lead me to conclusions, now while my initial comment was a bit short sighted, I still believe it none-the-less. Austria-Hungary knew that they were declaring war on a country supported by Russia, they would have been stupid not to know that.
The alliances set up before WWI were supposed to prevent War, and not to mention that the major countries in the conflict were all of blood-related leadership. The war was unavoidable, but different circumstances lead to different results. Like I said, I'm still convinced that the removal of Wilhelm II from power was one of the most devastating moves of the 20th century.
As for Hitlers Rise to Power, while the American Great Depression had some effect on the world, the US wasn't really a world power then, it's like how little a Vietnamese depression would effect our economy.
Germany happens to be a nation that houses many trades and exports, wealth is not something that is hard to obtain for the country. When Hitler came to power, the nation by all means was not in a depression did Hitler improve their economy? Yes, but he didn't build it from scratch. He was more pandering to the political side of the country, the side that felt as if they were treated wrongly, and he gave them something to blame.
This is what my years of research has taught me.
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