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That's the whole reason I have a chimera, to run an angry heavy flamer around the battlefield. That and then I only need fourty troops on the field, that makes less unpainted tallarn blemishing my perfect paint job.

I was intending to make my own doctrine list, but Hardened Fighters seemed sort of pointless since the name of the game would to be not tied down in CQB. It's also 15 points per unit, and running a Chimera-heavy army already means I'm going to be low on points. I was thinking

- Mechanized
- Storm Trooper Squads
- Sharp Shooters


I figured since cover is so abundant along with the new rule set, there's no reason to take Carapace armor. I don't see the point in Conscripts either since I have no need to meat shield and I'd need to buy them a chimera anyway.

I don't know if I should take ratlings or normal snipers. Ratlings are certainly cheaper, but I would have no way of baby-sitting them unless I want to do something bizarre like throw them in a Chimera.

Well, my logic for the Hardened Fighters was this: ultimately you're going to have some units try and assault your Chimeras. I think it would be prudent to at least give command squads the bonus Assault capabilities to try and tie up enemies trying to assault your vehicles.

But then again, that's just how I play. Bombard your enemies with lots of artillery and throw your Guardsmen into close combat. That's Death Korps for ya'.

I just got done with a battle running my Tallarn against some Space Marines, and I gotta say, the hardened fighters doctrine payed off. My Tallarn were bogged down in cover (I use cameleoline as a doctrine, and dropped priests) until my demolishers softened up the marines who tried to hold the objective markers. The Tallarn guardsmen along with my HSO and JO commanders then sprang from cover and charged the marines (meltaguns, power weapons, and plasma pistols rock in the hands of WS4 infantry, btw.) breaking the marines and sending them running. With three out of four objectives held, it was all about throwing battlecannon and demolisher shells into the marine defensive line and daring them to come out of cover and oust my guardsmen. The command squad and a group of ten termies finally did, only to get vaped by plasma cannon and demolisher fire. I lost six men in the battle total, including my HSO and attendant staff. They ran for a fourth objective, which was in bolter range of marines in ruins near his table edge. Ouch.

I always end up getting at least a few guys into cqc, and against ws4 enemies, that extra fifteen points makes it worthwhile. Now add that to HF sentinels, and you've got pain in a kan. Now try charging a group of other guardsmen or fire warriors, oh yah. That's what I call an a**-whoopin. Sharpshooters, cameleoline, and Hardened Fighters are my favorite doctrines. I almost always use all three.

tanks rolleyes , fancy breaking down peices of junk


although i love what they do i just can't feild them in my army... light infantry commando work for me, let my better armored allies do the wire dieing. with hardend, camoline, light infanty doctrines i can do anywhere and make the enemy bunch up on it's self. well unless they are overly addicted to tanks... burning_eyes

for my army they are usless, for my friend's army they are the harbingers of death.... so for me they would not be able to keep up even with dozer blades. my friend can't imagine the gaurd without a couple of tanks, lol i do just fine wink

I seriously like the look, and the grain of salt I'm taking with that photo is tasting mightily nice.

Old news you git, old by three months. xp

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