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 Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:52 pm
Commissar Hark Mat please note that I take offense to being place below Marine Infantry. If modern US Infantry were being represented in 40K the stat lines would be the same and would use counts as rules for Army or Marines. The would then use the Bradley or the L.A.V. respectably in place of the Chimera. The Black Hawk and Cobra / Apache would take the place of the Valkyrie and Vulture. HMMVs would take the place of Sentinels. Now the Abrams would be a good swap for the Leman Russ it would more likely be the M60 or the Sheridan. Basilisks would be represented by Paladin 155mm self propelled howitzers. while is wouldn't be on the same chassis the Hellhound would be a M113 with flame turret, they exists and I have the manual to prove it. Salamanders would be old M114s. I could go about this all day but the Army makes me go into work for a small period of time today and I need to prepare some things first. I mean no offence, but if a Marine private and an Army private both right out of basic went head to head, the jarhead would probably win. Marine Corps boot camp is supposedly harder than Army boot camp. Now if a Marine private went up against a five-year Army Airborne Rangers veteran, that devil dog would be lunch. My uncle Danny is a ranger currently operating in Afghanistan, and he tells me the Marines get rather cocky. His unit got in a bar fight a few years back with a platoon of Marines and his boys whiped the floor with them, or at least before the MPs showed up to whipe the floor with everybody. here, lemme go edit that post... I'm army my brother is Marines I'm pretty sure I have the particulars ironed out. And over my seven year military career ive seen just about all each force has to offer one way or another right down to combat operations under Marine command. Pretty much the thing that the marine private would be the army one is in pull ups army doesn't do them in basic. Now I'm just gonna say that this debate should end here before we get to far off topic.
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:09 pm
Mat Commissar Hark Mat please note that I take offense to being place below Marine Infantry. If modern US Infantry were being represented in 40K the stat lines would be the same and would use counts as rules for Army or Marines. The would then use the Bradley or the L.A.V. respectably in place of the Chimera. The Black Hawk and Cobra / Apache would take the place of the Valkyrie and Vulture. HMMVs would take the place of Sentinels. Now the Abrams would be a good swap for the Leman Russ it would more likely be the M60 or the Sheridan. Basilisks would be represented by Paladin 155mm self propelled howitzers. while is wouldn't be on the same chassis the Hellhound would be a M113 with flame turret, they exists and I have the manual to prove it. Salamanders would be old M114s. I could go about this all day but the Army makes me go into work for a small period of time today and I need to prepare some things first. I mean no offence, but if a Marine private and an Army private both right out of basic went head to head, the jarhead would probably win. Marine Corps boot camp is supposedly harder than Army boot camp. Now if a Marine private went up against a five-year Army Airborne Rangers veteran, that devil dog would be lunch. My uncle Danny is a ranger currently operating in Afghanistan, and he tells me the Marines get rather cocky. His unit got in a bar fight a few years back with a platoon of Marines and his boys whiped the floor with them, or at least before the MPs showed up to whipe the floor with everybody. here, lemme go edit that post... I'm army my brother is Marines I'm pretty sure I have the particulars ironed out. And over my seven year military career ive seen just about all each force has to offer one way or another right down to combat operations under Marine command. Pretty much the thing that the marine private would be the army one is in pull ups army doesn't do them in basic. Now I'm just gonna say that this debate should end here before we get to far off topic. well from a historical standpoint the marines have the most honor and glory with the name well... cause... they get the worst jobs out there and always pull above their weight and win the battle. this is a tad of topic, but i love to digress to lol
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:56 pm
smiting the lot of you with a history book is beginning to form as an idea in my mind. And you guys though Mac was evil
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:09 am
Woah, Woah. Let's stop now. My respect goes to the Army far before the Marines. After all, kicking a** and eating nazis alive at Normandy beats raising the flag at Iwo Jima any day.
But the Cadian Kasrkin ******** Pwn both.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:40 am
Mat smiting the lot of you with a history book is beginning to form as an idea in my mind. And you guys though Mac was evil Not evil, just misunderstood and very much harassed by people about his past things. Kasrkin are so tough they even made Harlon Nayl think twice about doing stuff around them and that's something because Harlon is the toughest knuckhead around. surprised
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:30 am
Cadian Kasrkin are okay, but I think you'll have to cede the Storm Trooper ticket to Inquisitorial Storm Troopers.
After all, you're dropped off in a small squad with an Inquisitor to face the damned legions, chaos space marines, and the very manifestations of evil yourself.
And after that, then comes the Greater Daemons.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:23 am
I think I'm gonna agree with Serebrate. It would take some serious balls to pick up a spotlight (slightly more powerful than a flashlight) and follow a screaming fanatic around to fight against things that can split tanks open with their bare hands.
Yeah...
Of course, by fluff the Inquisitorial Troopers are better trained than any Grenadiers or Storm Troopers that'd be serving with a Guard regiment, right? I might be completely wrong here.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:59 am
Inquisitorial troopers have balls, but consider the Hardened Veterans in the standard Guard force.
You hit dirt, you fight for years, you earn your stripes, and you kill things you never would have dreamed of in your worst nightmares. Then, you're given a few medals, a fancy gun, and told "Well done, Corporal! Now, go save these sorry bastards in this sector because they can't do the s**t you just did!"
And then you start over. That's just painful, if you ask me. Inquisitorials are good, but they have all the fancy gimmicks. Veterans do it by the skin of their teeth, every day.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:03 pm
Alexi Terianis Inquisitorial troopers have balls, but consider the Hardened Veterans in the standard Guard force. You hit dirt, you fight for years, you earn your stripes, and you kill things you never would have dreamed of in your worst nightmares. Then, you're given a few medals, a fancy gun, and told "Well done, Corporal! Now, go save these sorry bastards in this sector because they can't do the s**t you just did!" And then you start over. That's just painful, if you ask me. Inquisitorials are good, but they have all the fancy gimmicks. Veterans do it by the skin of their teeth, every day. But what about Kage (and the other) of the last chancers? He has to do that, with the caveat that he isn't expected to return from the missions.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:26 pm
Caleidah
Of course, by fluff the Inquisitorial Troopers are better trained than any Grenadiers or Storm Troopers that'd be serving with a Guard regiment, right? I might be completely wrong here.
@ Alexi
When Veterans die, they die in peace.
When Inquisitorial Storm Troopers die, they are possessed or eaten by a daemon.
Om nom nom nom.
I'd still rather fight Orks, Tau, or any of the other xenos. A lovely tale of what happens to those who stand against Chaos can be found in the 40k Rulebook in the Chaos Fluff segment.
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:08 pm
in the Schola Progenium all storm troopers are trained equal. Those that make the cut are selected to be Inquisitorial Storm Troopers the rest get passed down the line to a guard regiment
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:25 pm
Inquisitorial Stormtroopers need to go through extra testing. It says in the Daemonhunter Codex that the need to "undertake rigorous purity and incorruptibility tests before they are permitted to bear the Inquisitorial Mark".
They have the same statline, only the Veterans have access to the Daemonhunter armory and they cannot deepstrike.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 4:31 pm
EsgarBlackpoxs Alexi Terianis Inquisitorial troopers have balls, but consider the Hardened Veterans in the standard Guard force. You hit dirt, you fight for years, you earn your stripes, and you kill things you never would have dreamed of in your worst nightmares. Then, you're given a few medals, a fancy gun, and told "Well done, Corporal! Now, go save these sorry bastards in this sector because they can't do the s**t you just did!" And then you start over. That's just painful, if you ask me. Inquisitorials are good, but they have all the fancy gimmicks. Veterans do it by the skin of their teeth, every day. But what about Kage (and the other) of the last chancers? He has to do that, with the caveat that he isn't expected to return from the missions. thats the whole point of penial units they get writen off right away, you would not waste good troops like the inquisitorial storm troopers, IG's finest regamentail ventrens or even cadian kasrkin. because the stuff they go after is so well befended that high command will swamp it with throw aways.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:22 pm
In regards to the Last Chancers, they're supposed to die - to burn the fat so to speak. The point is to get the few diamonds in the rough out of the hundreds of prisoners and use them for the real mission.
It's expendable troops in practice, but in the fluff they're made out to be heros.
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:48 pm
so true it's hard to hate um but they are scum... it's like that ww2 movie with the prisioners sent in to kill the german high command in france
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