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Manic Martini

PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:34 pm


I really have no idea what to objectively base this on. I guess we'll just throw things against the wall and maybe something will stick.

Siblings that come to mind:
-The Whitewings: Paula, Caeda, Est
-Marth and Elice
-Minerva, Maria, and the shitty brother
-basically any mother's children in FE4. And there's a LOT of 'em. Let's include villainous siblings here to save time too, like Ishtar and Ishtore. AND substitute characters that are siblings.
-Olwen and Reindhardt
-Lugh and Rei
-FE6-8 all have peg riders who are siblings (Tana being the only one related to Innes instead of another rider)
-Zephiel and Guinny
-Miledy and Zeiss
-Klein and Clara
-Nils and Ninian
-Rebecca and Dart?
-Lloyd and Linus
-Eirika and Ephraim
-Forde and Franz
-Tethys and Ewan
-Glen and Cormag
-Rolf and Boyd and Oscar
-Marcia and Makalov
-Lethe and Lyre
-the herons
-Geoffrey and Lucia
-Morgan and other possible child character
-Lucina and quite a few child characters
-Emmeryn and Chrom and Lissa
-Anna and Anna and Anna and Anna etc...
-probably some of the bandit-enemy duos? Are they all just gay lovers?

Tempted to vote the Army of Annas because it's established that they're siblings, but I'm going to vote for the trinity of half siblings that are Seliph Celice, Julia, and Julius for selling incest, a protagonist, and a final boss all at the same time! Bonus points for being a family that kills each other, parents and kids! SUPER bonus points for being a trio of siblings that can all wield a different Holy Weapon! What a hot mess it would be if the family ever had to have a reuinion where they weren't allowed to kill each other!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:08 am


Let me explain how I did it. I did it as how is one person to their silbing(s). Do they treat their sibling well or not?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:15 am


Okay, this is really a difficult topic to decide.. But here goes nothing even though I could be a minority on this.


Best: I think Olwen and Reinhardt is my favorite siblings. It's mostly the circumstances that the two are in that make this really touching for me. In a way the relationship that both of them share is very much like a tragedy between siblings.I suppose I'm a bit of a sucker for that. Olwen has no idea of what's going on with the child hunting happening so she questions if she's actually doing the right thing? So once she changes side she has to go up against her own flesh and blood. I think that's a difficult thing for Olwen to go through and really it's a situation for any sibling to face.That conversation that the two of them have still shows that Reinhardt does actually care for her even if it doesn't really seem like it. Heck, he even gives her a really awesome sword as a gift for future battles because he knows he won't be returning back again.

Even when both of them are on total opposite sides he can still have a compassionate side of him. He's a proud man on the battlefield and he doesn't want to lose his honor and dignity. Plus he's an insane boss with all of the best skills and 5 movement stars which makes a chance of extra movement really really high. Olwen still cares for her brother Reinhardt at the same time. Actually the more I think about it, there was a similar situation that happened in chapter 3 between Lachesis and Eltosian.(However you pronounce his name or whatever..)
Besides that, there's a bunch of siblings that I generally like but this one stands out to me the most if I had to choose right here and now.

Edit: Okay now I've thought the worst.

Worst: Makalov and Marcia. I'm sorry but this is the worst siblings in my opinion. Say all you want about Zephiel being a bad man in FE6, but really all of that was partly his father to blame. Actually if you think about it, he really loved his sister when he was a younger prince. They had a pretty loving relationship between siblings at the time. And I honestly don't recall him treating Guinevere what I'd consider to be bad in FE6. But boy.. Makavlov in general is just a bad character altogether, I have no idea what Astrid sees in this guy. >.> Marcia is actually a great sister and she searches all over the place to look for him, and she even abandons and just leaves the Holy Begnion Pegasus knights. But what's his dumb excuse? He's bad with money and loses it easily with the gambling and everything. Makalov is supposed to be the one that shows a good example to his younger sister, but instead he's irresponsible and always makes stupid excuses.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:42 am


Well, that makes my choice for worst easier!

Makalov to Marcia!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:46 am


Best: Oscar (to Boyd and Rolf)
Oscar basically quit his job in order to take care of his brothers. There are lots of siblings who make sacrifices for their younger siblings, but Oscar's seems the greatest (when put in the context of how "unimportant" he and his brothers were to his country when he made that decision).

Worst: Makalov (to Marcia)
I might change this later, since I feel like there are other siblings who are worse to each other, but I just can't think of them at the moment. And Zephiel really doesn't really take his sister's feelings into account when he starts invading other countries. Again, probably'll change this later based on what else comes up.
I didn't vote for Makalov (though I did seriously consider it) because while Makalov certainly takes Marcia for granted, he's never outright hostile towards her.


After some discussion, I decided to change my vote. Makalov really is a leech of a brother to Marcia, especially in FE9. Oddly enough, though, I like him as a character. No idea why.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:20 am


Grimalkenkid
I didn't vote for Makalov (though I did seriously consider it) because while Makalov certainly takes Marcia for granted, he's never outright hostile towards her.


I'll definitely be considering various possiblities for worst and best as well.

But you know... now that I think about it, Zephiel is never actually hostile to Guinevere. Complain about the father all you want. We know that Zephiel is not only a fabulous brother to her when he's a kid and is never an explicitly bad brother directly to her. In FE6, Guinevere even says:

“he was always a kind and loving brother to me. So..."

He never tries to kill her. He DOES try to bring her back to Bern, but villain or not, that's just rational. It's certainly fair to claim Guinevere is more at risk of something bad happening to her away from the castles of Bern than if she were in them. There are times when non-villain characters should logically act more like Zephiel does in this respect, actually... And they don't. Because it totally makes sense to let your children out to fight wars and bad guys as opposed to military generals to some people somehow. And unless it's Guinevere's political responsibility to advise her brother (which I doubt), he really shouldn't be asking for her feelings about invading countries, even if it is a bad decision.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:18 am


Hey Melethia, I have a question. Do we have to vote siblings that made appearance in the FE game only or not?

Because when you look at the support conversations and perhaps some Based conversations from FE9/10, there are some units who mention having siblings such as Stahl who mentions his brother but his brother isn't in the game or Grietz who is a brother of Geeze but those two aren't in the same game together.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:34 am


I'd think that as long as they are related, they would be free game. Though I'd think that appearing in the same game together would lead to better quality interactions in either direction.

Best: Maria (To Minerva and ESPECIALLY Michalis). Oh my heart.
Chalk it up to childhood innocence, but she's a freaking angel when it comes to her siblings. Michalis kills his father, betrays Minerva, sides with Doluna, and takes Maria hostage. He is then brought within an inch of death (by Minerva, canonically, which explains why he still lives). What does Maria do? She tirelessly prays for his survival and never leaves his side, presumably keeping him as healthy as she can, being a healer and all. She even agreed to be Michals' hostage, because she knew she would be kept safe and she just wanted the fighting to stop. Now, under any other circumstances I would not consider this best sibling material, but rather "dumb innocent kid syndrome." The difference here is that... it works.
Maria is the lynchpin that keeps the crazy dysfunctional family together. Maria's actions made Michalis rethink his priorities and atone for what he has done. While the gap between he and Minerva remains, since while they want to be as close as they used to be, they can't for obvious reasons, and neither of them are kind enough to be able to forgive one another (more like Minerva can't forgive Michalis and Michalis can't forgive himself, since he knows his actions were all his own, and he did not regret them). They both continue to fight on for Maria's sake and search for her, since her kindness is what keeps them together, even through trouble, betrayal, and sadness.

Worst: Makolov (to Marcia). Marcia gets ten extra awesome points for calling him a brainless eunuch.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 11:04 am


Manic Martini
But you know... now that I think about it, Zephiel is never actually hostile to Guinevere. Complain about the father all you want. We know that Zephiel is not only a fabulous brother to her when he's a kid and is never an explicitly bad brother directly to her. In FE6, Guinevere even says:

“he was always a kind and loving brother to me. So..."

He never tries to kill her. He DOES try to bring her back to Bern, but villain or not, that's just rational.

Wait... so Zephiel never called Guinevere a traitor or something akin to that? I could've sworn he did. It's been a while since I played, so maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

What I meant by "hostile" wasn't that he tried to hurt her, but more that he acted like she was an enemy (or potential enemy). But as I said, I may be wrong. I'll need to go back over FE6's script and read his interactions with Guinevere just to be sure.



EDIT: Okay, I went back through the FE6 script, and during Chapter 13, Zephiel says this to Guinevere...

"Guinevere, you are my only sister. Therefore, I will forgive you this time. But not the next. Do you understand?"

I'm fairly certain that this was a threat. This is what I meant by "hostile." Maybe he didn't mean that he would hurt her, but I highly doubt it. And even if it was an empty threat, it still hurt Guinevere. In terms of people on opposite sides of a war, Zephiel's actions make sense, but he still threatened to kill (or otherwise hurt) his sister because they had differing beliefs. That's what I got out of their conversation, so I'll stick with my vote.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:29 pm


His sister is undermining everything he's trying to do as a country's leader and he forgives her because she's his sister. The fact that he's willing to let his familial ties get in the way of trying to eliminate anyone stopping him from accomplishing his goals at all because she's his sister. I give props to Zephiel as a brother. And when the villain is trying sell the world to dragons to run it and Guinivere getting her feelings hurt is the reason he's a bad sibling, I'd have to think that's incredibly minor in the big picture. Bad person, good brother, in my mind. Olwen/Reinhardt got a vote for best, and I'll happily point out there are a number of similarities between them and Zephiel and Guinney.

Best: Maria to her siblings.

For being little-girl-Christ like Tiki explained.

Worst: Makalov to Marcia.

There. I got my full vote in this week.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:28 pm


Okay, so maybe I was wrong about Zephiel as a brother. Let's look at Guinevere, then. You just said that she's trying to undermine everything he's doing as a king, so wouldn't that warrant a bit of discussion about how she's a bad sibling? The opposite of what you said about Zephiel, in fact. Good person, bad sister. She doesn't support him, she does everything in her power to directly disrupt his goals, and, ultimately, she allows Roy to kill him. Not just capture; kill. I forgot if she asks Roy not to, or if it was just never an option given politics and whatnot, so feel free to disprove me. (Also, not quite sure if defeating a boss but not killing them was a thing back then, but there have been examples since, so, I dunno.)


Note: At this point, I'm just playing devil's advocate. I'll just be voting subjectively from now on, since it seems I'm a sore loser (based on previous discussions) and I don't want to bring down any more conversations. I'll change my vote to Makalov, despite my bizarre fondness for his character. (Don't ask me why I like him; I just do.)

I apologize if I've offended or hurt anyone. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:32 pm


Good siblings don't let their siblings do bad things.

Nobody's making you change your vote. I'm not sure why you think you've offended anybody... the point of this topic is to have discussions.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:39 pm


I'm always worried about insulting or offending other people. It's just something I do.

But back to the discussion, where does Guinevere sit? It's obvious that she tries to keep Zephiel from making those horrible decisions, but given how the game ends, doesn't she just give up on him after a point? What are everyone else's thoughts on that?
PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 3:56 pm


I haven't been offended in the slightest and have enjoyed the discourse concerning Zephiel and Guinevere.

Especially because they're a much more complex and nuanced pair of siblings compared to obvious good and bad ones.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 5:22 pm


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