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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:10 pm


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Thats why I carrey a metal chain every where with me. Technicly its a dog leash with the clasp hooked onto the metal loop connecting the length to the leather holder, but it works just fine.


I actually had my chain wallet with me, but at the time all I could do was what he was telling me to do.

I'd never been in that situation before, but hey, I did my best.

My manager's husband told me the first time he got robbed, he told the guy to take the money himself, and then slammed his hand into the register, and cold-cocked him in the head, and he fell right to the floor.

Yeah, he's military trained. 3nodding
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 9:18 pm


Ah. Heh, I grew up in a military family untill recently. ( I moved out and in with my girl friend.) After spending nearly 16 years with my dad...no one on earth unless they have a gun in their hands can scare me. xd

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:02 pm


I grew up in a military family, and took Tae-Kwon-Do for, oh, four years total over a period of six years, and I'm sure I could kick the a** of most punks, but for me, if I'm in a store getting robbed? I'm gonna hand over the money. Unless I'm in a situation where I am absolutely certain that I will be able to overpower whoever it is without anyone getting hurt (except him), I'm not going to take that chance.

Money, in the big scheme of things, isn't all that important to me. Sure I like to have it and I like the things it gets me, but money isn't nearly as important as everyone leaving the establishment safe and alive, including myself.

Not to mention it wouldn't be my money anyways. razz And no one could blame me for allowing the person to take it.

And I'm glad you got out of it okay, Adrian. 3nodding
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:20 pm


yeah, i'm probably going to carry a knife and a gun when i'm legally old enough and not in a place where having one is a felony. i have taken karate for a while, but i would rather have a weapon because you can't block a bullet that easily.

which brings to mind a quote from Red Vs. Blue, paraphrasing of course, "sarge, you're pretty tough, but i don't think even YOU can deflect hundreds of armor-piercing rounds using only your face."

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:24 pm


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I grew up in a military family, and took Tae-Kwon-Do for, oh, four years total over a period of six years, and I'm sure I could kick the a** of most punks, but for me, if I'm in a store getting robbed? I'm gonna hand over the money. Unless I'm in a situation where I am absolutely certain that I will be able to overpower whoever it is without anyone getting hurt (except him), I'm not going to take that chance.

Money, in the big scheme of things, isn't all that important to me. Sure I like to have it and I like the things it gets me, but money isn't nearly as important as everyone leaving the establishment safe and alive, including myself.

Not to mention it wouldn't be my money anyways. razz And no one could blame me for allowing the person to take it.

And I'm glad you got out of it okay, Adrian. 3nodding

That's exactly it.

And I couldn't overpower him, so I wasn't eeeven gonna try.

Thanks, dear. So am I.
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:36 pm


I'll stick with my chain thank you. I can wrap it around his wrsit our neck and pull him into the counter

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:43 pm


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yeah, i'm probably going to carry a knife and a gun when i'm legally old enough and not in a place where having one is a felony. i have taken karate for a while, but i would rather have a weapon because you can't block a bullet that easily.

which brings to mind a quote from Red Vs. Blue, paraphrasing of course, "sarge, you're pretty tough, but i don't think even YOU can deflect hundreds of armor-piercing rounds using only your face."
You can't deflect a bullet with a gun either. Or a knife.

@Pyro: Seriously man, how do you expect to be able to do that? First, the chain is hooked to your pants so you have to unhook it. And chains aren't really quiet; They would hear it and bring their gun to bear on you, or someone else, long before you had a chance to wrap it around them. And they would have plenty of time to shoot you if you made a threatening move.

Or, if they didn't have a gun, they'd attack you while you were still unhooking it. But really, what kinda idiot robs a place without a gun?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:54 pm


Not trying to sound to critical, but, honestly, if someone ever robs you or the establishment you are working at, by the name of God, just give them the money. Don't try to be a hero. Because you'll just die, and for what? A bit of money? A few credit cards you can just cancel when you get home? Maybe a large sum of insured money at a business?

And if you are hell bent on being able to protect yourself, and don't get me wrong, that's a good thing, just not against gun-toting robbers, don't think you're badass just because you've got a chain on your pants. Like I said, that takes too long to prep, and it's too noisy; Put some time into martial arts, and you won't need any time to prep your weapon because you become your weapon.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:24 am


yeah, a chain would be rather unpractical unless you were a witness to the robbery from behind the robber, assuming the robber didn't have a disguised partner to survey for such thing. but if you were encountered face to face with a guy holding a knife, you're just not going to be able to get your chain ready in time. you would probably have trouble with a gun, even, should you have to unhook the holster and/or c**k it. i mean, yeah, it works out in your head, but in reality, it's better to just give them the stuff. or, pretend to until they leave themselves open, like distracted by the cash or when you're behind something so they can't see what you're doing. that's what i'd do, but i wouldn't really advise it because i don't want anyone getting hurt.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:39 am


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yeah, i'm probably going to carry a knife and a gun when i'm legally old enough and not in a place where having one is a felony. i have taken karate for a while, but i would rather have a weapon because you can't block a bullet that easily.

which brings to mind a quote from Red Vs. Blue, paraphrasing of course, "sarge, you're pretty tough, but i don't think even YOU can deflect hundreds of armor-piercing rounds using only your face."
You can't deflect a bullet with a gun either. Or a knife.

@Pyro: Seriously man, how do you expect to be able to do that? First, the chain is hooked to your pants so you have to unhook it. And chains aren't really quiet; They would hear it and bring their gun to bear on you, or someone else, long before you had a chance to wrap it around them. And they would have plenty of time to shoot you if you made a threatening move.

Or, if they didn't have a gun, they'd attack you while you were still unhooking it. But really, what kinda idiot robs a place without a gun?

The idiots around here. Its a liberal state, so gun stores are few and far between, and pawn shop don't sell any kind of fire arm. The most you get is a bat or a knife. And most of the gun crimes happen in St. Louis. The idea of privatly owning a gun around here is a bit taboo.

I never said it was attached to my pants. I don't carrey wallet chains, my pokets are deep enough so that if some one tried to take my wallet they would be stickign half there arm down my pants to get to it. Its a dog leash, and I'm sure I said that before. I carrey it shortened. The leash end is attached to the metal loop that connects the chain to the leather strap. I'm sure I said that too. And considerign the size of my pockets, the chains is reletively quite when I pull it out.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 9:57 am


Reality here is, you're assuming something about me you don't know, and it annoys the ******** out of me when you do that. Miranda did it once and I went off on her, not like it did any thing, I'm just tellingyou to stop assumign s**t. Second is that if you would read back in my posts you would find i said nothign about a wallet chain and spoke of a dog leash. Lastly, I'm not arguing this any further. The only way you could hold a debate in this conversation is if you knew anythign about me, you don't. YOu don't knwo how I feel, you don't knwo how I use it, you don't knwo what I know, you don't knwo how I would act in a certain cituation. Don't act like you do.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:27 am


I assumed nothing about you, unless you count the reasonable assumption that normally people don't carry around dog chains just for kicks.

Actually, you went off on me before too, and I'll paraphrase what I said before: If people didn't make certain assumptions about other people, and everyone worried about getting every tiny detail perfectly correct, nothing would ever get done because we would all spend an hour asking questions about who the person is, and what their situation is, just so we can ask them the time of day. I mean, and here comes some sarcasm, for all you know the man has a terrible fear of time. Or maybe he doesn't carry a watch and gets really defensive when someone asks. So you'd have to ask him his entire family history, just so you can be certain you aren't going to offend him.

Yes, that's extreme. But come on. You can't expect people to look at you and go, "Oh, well I don't want to assume that the chain he's carrying around is for a wallet rather then just because he likes the feeling of a heavy chain in his pocket. He might get upset," or, "Oh, well, I don't want to assume that by 'church,' he means the place of congregation for members of any one given religion. He might mean only Christians. Or only Catholics. I better ask before I reply."

Seriously. One of these days I'm going to show you just how long it would take to reply to one of your posts if I asked about everything, to make sure I'm not making any incorrect assumptions.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:59 am


Adrian! I'm so glad you're okay but now I'm going to worry about you like crazy! *tackleglomps* Gah. Jerks.

Pyro, I.Am, there's no point in arguing. The point here is that McPhee did all he could do and handled a tough situation very nicely. I happen to agree with Andy, it's highly unlikely you would have been able to do anything with that chain. A lot of situations seem easier than they really are once you face them, and acting like you could have done better doesn't help anyone.
PostPosted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:02 am


Also if you did use it, you might get in trouble for carrying a concealed weapon. Hadn't thought about that.

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