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kouri-chan_xx Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:16 am
Yea, I knew that the HK authorities (and NZ, Slovakia, etc.) cooperated with the US authorities, it just didn't sit well with me... still doesn't... but eh.
When you say due process, you mean by not even getting the cooperation of other countries?
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 7:58 am
I mean that the website and domain who are being targeted by the accuser don't even get a chance to defend themselves. Someone asks for a court order and if they get it the affected website would then have to go to court and fight a massive legal battle to prove that the material is not infringing copy right. Meanwhile their website has effectively been blocked to people in the US who don't know how to get around the provisions set forth by the bill and all add companies are disbarred from supplying ads to the website. So with their source of income substantially hurt the website owners then have to fight the battle in a court against either the federal government or a mufti-million dollar corporation to make it stop. Ex. my tumbler blog has a 2D animation project that I made for school on it. The animation contains music from a Yoshida Brothers song. Despite the fact that it's an academic work and thus exempted from copy right they could probably convince a judge somewhere that it's not exempt because the music is not the point of the animation. Now Tumbler get's shut down because I embedded the video there, youtube gets shut down because I hosted it there, and I get charged with a Felony for distributing copy righted works. If it's a foreign website they would then have to risk coming to the U.S. to make it stop.
Instead of the way it is now where a company/artist submits a DMCA take down notice to a site hosting the supposedly copy righted material. I submit a counter DMCA claim to block it since I feel that it's not not copy righted in this case. Then if the company/artist really wants it taken down they have to go to court and try to prove that it is in fact copy righted. All of which would occur in a civil court since it would be a law suit. Most likely they would not try to do it with something so obviously exempt However if a website continues to host copyrighted material and is making a profit off of it that's when they build a criminal case instead of a civil one and a Federal prosecutor then has to try the case in the court. If it's a foreign site they then have to actually get the cooperation of that country to go after them.
Which even this system isn't that great. I imagine Team Four Star had to change DBZ abridged to TFS Abridged Parody because of how many times Funimation was trying to get YouTube to shut it down even though it's clearly parody.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:19 am
The Abridged shows... I have always seen them as good examples of what you should do if you do use copyrighted content. They announce at the start who owns the content, and probably has the rest somewhere in the description or something.
Anyway, they do a better job then some other people... yah know what will suck... if Microsoft decides to stop Machinima, and only let Rooster Teeth do it. Then again, Microsoft does have a "free use" policy, which means you can used music and gameplay of their registered games for any reason you want, except to make money and a few other limitations of course.
If Microsoft can do that free use policy, then I do not see why other major companies can't do it either...
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:50 am
I really don't know why they get so upset over abridged series. The only catch to Microsoft though is that you can't use third party items for Machinema. So as an example anyone who's not Rooster Teeth can not use the sounds from Halo in their Machinema.
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:02 pm
You can use all game content, including soundtrack... as long as you express where everything comes from and who owns it.
This is why game review videos can be done with gameplay that isn't in a trailer or developer released gameplay...
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Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 9:18 pm
Qyp You can use all game content, including soundtrack... as long as you express where everything comes from and who owns it. This is why game review videos can be done with gameplay that isn't in a trailer or developer released gameplay... If it is not owned solely by Microsoft you can not use it without the other entity's permission. For instance you could use anything you want for Reach because Microsoft owns the full rights to it but Halo 3's weapon sounds are owned by a third party and are not supposed to be used. Also just stating that someone else owns the content does not actually give you permission to use it It does help with avoiding being labeled as an infringer though. Abridged shows are a little different since they fall under parody but making a unique machinema using Halo 3 is not parody and while it is not for profit that still doesn't really give you the right to use it if the copy right holder has reserved all rights. And the reason that a review can do it is because it is for the purpose of journalism.
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 12:31 am
Tairu Khime Qyp You can use all game content, including soundtrack... as long as you express where everything comes from and who owns it. This is why game review videos can be done with gameplay that isn't in a trailer or developer released gameplay... If it is not owned solely by Microsoft you can not use it without the other entity's permission. For instance you could use anything you want for Reach because Microsoft owns the full rights to it but Halo 3's weapon sounds are owned by a third party and are not supposed to be used. Also just stating that someone else owns the content does not actually give you permission to use it It does help with avoiding being labeled as an infringer though. Abridged shows are a little different since they fall under parody but making a unique machinema using Halo 3 is not parody and while it is not for profit that still doesn't really give you the right to use it if the copy right holder has reserved all rights. And the reason that a review can do it is because it is for the purpose of journalism. "Halo" is owned by Microsoft. 343 Industries is owned by Microsoft. Bungie has no rights to "Halo". And there is machinima from games like Assassin's Creed, CoD, Gears of War, Elder Scrolls, Warcraft, etc... As long as the companies are credited, and you are not selling the machinima (unless you have been given rights, like Rooster Teeth does for Red vs Blue) then it is okay. Seriously. General info on Machinima
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Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:27 am
I never said that Bungie was the third party Qyp and Bungie. As for that page: "The rules allow noncommercial use and distribution of works derived from Microsoft-owned game content, except audio effects and soundtracks.[111] The license prohibits reverse engineering and material that is pornographic or otherwise "objectionable".[111] On distribution, derivative works that elaborate on a game's fictional universe or story are automatically licensed to Microsoft and its business partners.[112] This prevents legal problems if a fan and Microsoft independently conceive similar plots.[112]" Also this only applies to Microsoft owned games. Everything you mentioned aside from Halo are not owned by Microsoft. Now you can use anything you want from Warcraft because Blizzard has declared full usage of their games. Otherwise you could potentially be committing copy right infringement. Now just because there is Machinima that does mean it is okay. It's mostly because of the huge plethora of videos that Companies don't bother trying to go after anyone. Doing something for non-profit does not automatically allow you to use it either. U.S. Copy Right Law Rights To reproduce the work in copies or phonorecords; To prepare derivative works based upon the work;To distribute copies or phonorecords of the work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending; To publicly perform the work, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and motion pictures and other audiovisual works, and sound recordings by means of digital audio transmission; To publicly display the work, in the case of literary, musical, dramatic, and choreographic works, pantomimes, and pictorial, graphic, or sculptural works, including the individual images of a motion picture or other audiovisual work. The license holder has to give you that right in order for you to make your own things with it's content unless it falls under fair use(Parody of course being a special fair use case). If it doesn't fall under fair use and you simply gave them credit then the only thing you are doing is not plagiarizing their work. U.S. Fair Use Clause Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 17 U.S.C. § 106 and 17 U.S.C. § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include: the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; the nature of the copyrighted work; the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors. As an example of if some publisher decided to take a Machinima owner to court: the purpose of use: while the owner may or may not be making a profit (depends on if they're a youtube partner) YouTube makes money from traffic and if the traffic to the infringed video is substantial there is a profit being made. the nature of the copyrighted work: (Barring that the Machinima was made for a recognized academic institution and does not qualify as a parody) It also does not fall under a recognized fair use category. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole;: If said Machinima contains a recognizable amount of the games soundtrack or any sounds in their entirety it will fail this test. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. : Once again it might not effect the market for the game but it has value in the amount of traffic that it can generate. A corporate lawyer could easily makes these points and show that a Machinima does not meet the four guidelines of fair use. Seriously. As a student perusing a degree in game design I have to be aware of these things because I need to know what my rights are when I make things. Likewise, knowing what my rights are also means I need to know what violates them.
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:57 am
whheeee hi everyone i think this is my first time being here O_O idk for sure
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Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:46 pm
sjamesjuan whheeee hi everyone i think this is my first time being here O_O idk for sure Well... welcome, or welcome back xP! If you need any help, don't be afraid to ask!!
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:01 am
hey exodus soo uh where should i start posting
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:38 am
sjamesjuan hey exodus soo uh where should i start posting Go Here and read through the rules/hints of roleplaying and/or post an RP example in the RP GRADUATION THREAD. Someone will go through and grade your post. While waiting for the 'grade' you can begin creating your profile, however you cannot start RPing till after you graduate. You can always get a head start though! To see which villages are accepting check Here. I know Kumo is looking for some newbies ^^
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Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:31 am
Haha now time to wait for someone to approve my RP
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:52 am
sjamesjuan Haha now time to wait for someone to approve my RP Suna's also looking for new faces as well so you happy to join us as well if you like, you would be welcomed into our home anytime smile
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Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 7:00 am
Also one more thing.....due to my brother's recent inactivity I'm relieving him of his duties and putting the Assistant Kage job back on the market if anyone is interested. It requires you to be frequently active in the guild, particulary Suna, and to have good knowledge of the gaming system, you don't have to know anyting but a good amount where you know what you're doing.
With this job, you will be helping out on things such as grading missions, running the academy, and develop missions (if I not around to do that). You also will be a right hand man to all affiars relating to Suna-related business as we are trying to revive it back from the dead.
If anyone is interested in the job, PM me so we can chat about the position.
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