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 Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:21 pm
The Vansin Man, I used to love Asmodeus. "During the reckoning he faced every other Devil and won" I used to think he was the baddest mother of all time. Even if the "truth" was that it was rigged from the start and all the devils that got their asses kicked never even really saw Asmodeus, instead they just got stabbed by their most trusted advisors and wives and s**t. It was just like when I used to think he beat the s**t out of heaven before he was sent down to Hell. Nah, he just made a really wordy contract and the gods were too stupid to read, so they threw him halfway around the cosmos. Being smart enough to win a war without ever drawing blood with your own blade is a level of badassery above a really strong battle-brute. Just look at Augustus Caesar. He was so badass that he consolidated supreme power over the Roman Empire without ever fighting and then, when he died, he and his wife were made into gods of the Roman religion. Julius Caesar beat up the French and got stabbed in the back by his best friend.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:23 pm
Julius got deified by his own killers post-mortem, hilariously enough.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:24 pm
Yeah. But who got immortalized by Shakespeare and Hollywood?!
Go out on the street and ask your average kid to tell you who Augustus Caeser is. They'll think it's a new pizzeria.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:25 pm
I'd kill him.
I mean, if I had that sort of power. Then I'd work on changing the Nine Hells into varying levels of Hello Kitty.
...it'd be beautiful.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:26 pm
The Darth Vizzle Julius got deified by his own killers post-mortem, hilariously enough. Because they were trying to stop the riots in the street of Rome, so they thought they'd deify him to please the supporters of Julius. this only pissed them off more. Epic fail much? @Elliterate: Its because Julius Caesar is like Luke Skywalker, badass and heroic and beating up the Gauls and saving Rome and s**t, and Augustus Caesar is like Emperor Palpatine. People like Luke Skywalker more.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:26 pm
No. No no no.
Never having to fight is NOT cool, it's smart. Smart does not always equal cool, I will say that much.
The real reason I hate how they portray Asmodeus is because he has never really had to flex his muscles. That, I think, really blows.
I can't imagine that the most powerful evil creature under the gods would be content sitting around and cackling to himself about how totally cool it's going to be when he implements the "X's wife stabs him with his family's cherished sword" gambit for the fourteen hundredth time.
Because, the point is that if Asmodeus was just a schemer, he wouldn't have a challenge rating of 42 or something. Genius isn't his only skill, and I want to see more.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:30 pm
You know what I think?
Shakespeare wasn't some epic zomgz amazing writer. He was good, but just really ******** popular because pretty much everything they say that isn't PLOT is pretty much a long-a** string of dirty jokes.
I mean, Romeo and Juliet is about a *****, and they sit around talking about dongs.
Mercutio: DUDE LOOK AT THIS HUGE c**k
(O here's a wit of cheveril, that stretches from an inch narrow to an ell broad!)
Seriously.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:33 pm
Marc Antony probably had more to do with the public getting pissed than the deification. With the whole "reading Julius's will aloud when it was in HUGE favor of the people" and "showing the crowd his bloodied and rent toga." Then again, I think they were already rioting prior to that, but it just intensified as time went on.
Of course, as for Augustus, he did have to fight; Marc Antony was off in Egypt, which was a huge source of grain in the ancient world, and wasn't very friendly to Augustus anymore. Of course, that's nowhere near the same as the full-fledged civil war that Julius went through, but it's not fair to say that Augustus secured his seat of power without ever having to fight anyone.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:34 pm
42 is a p***y CR. There are random monster encounters in MM3 or 4 or whatever that are like, half of that.
I wonder what Helm's CR is.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:34 pm
Rhoslyn Vernal You know what I think?
Shakespeare wasn't some epic zomgz amazing writer. He was good, but just really ******** popular because pretty much everything they say that isn't PLOT is pretty much a long-a** string of dirty jokes.
I mean, Romeo and Juliet is about a *****, and they sit around talking about dongs.
Mercutio: DUDE LOOK AT THIS HUGE c**k
(O here's a wit of cheveril, that stretches from an inch narrow to an ell broad!)
Seriously.
I don't know how much of Shakespeare you've actually read. Judging from your two cents here, I'd say, not much. If you did read it, you certainly didn't pay attention to the context within it.
And I don't recall either Romeo or Juliet being ******. Considering Romeo is 16 and Juliet is 14...
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:35 pm
There's a book, KB. I used to have it. No clue where it is. Deities and Demigods, it might have been called? Had all the CRs and s**t.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:36 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:36 pm
Rhoslyn Vernal You know what I think?
Shakespeare wasn't some epic zomgz amazing writer. He was good, but just really ******** popular because pretty much everything they say that isn't PLOT is pretty much a long-a** string of dirty jokes.
I mean, Romeo and Juliet is about a *****, and they sit around talking about dongs.
Mercutio: DUDE LOOK AT THIS HUGE c**k
(O here's a wit of cheveril, that stretches from an inch narrow to an ell broad!)
Seriously. I think Shakespeare's writing is incredibly pompous, and that basically every play is the same: a tragedy that could have been EASILY avoided had someone not been five minutes late and then everybody dies at the end. i don't really see much point in studying a lot of classic literature in school because no one reads it anymore. Maybe Plato's Republic or some work of philosophy is useful as a life lesson, but most people are too ******** dumb to understand Plato. @Vansin: I have no idea what you're talking about with a challenge rating and whatnot, but if the guy's an ultra-schemer, then he should be a pushover in a battle. unless he's a super-buff ninja nerd and just likes scheming more than battle.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:37 pm
Be Alexander the Great.
Apparently a ******** strategic genius and a pretty bad-assed warrior in his own right.
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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 2:39 pm
Krausse- He's the strongest devil in existence. So yeah, he can fight. It's from D&D.
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