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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:29 pm
Cole Eastcott A lot of people say you can't put a price on life, sure you can, people have been doing it for years. People are going to die whether we fight wars or not, but in most cases I'd rather lose a few thousand lives than a few million.
Or better yet, a few hundred thousand lives of people who morally and religiously hate our existence instead of "thousands of lives" that belong to our armed services.<_< And Zero, a military is necessary to protect people and to blow the crap out of anyone who looks at us cross-eyed. Easy to say when your dad isn't over there right now... isn't it? stare
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:20 pm
How do you know he's not Xol? And if I was in the mood to give out that sort of personal information I'd tell you that I'm even more for that solution.
Don't get me wrong man, if it were up to me we would have solved three problem all at once when the Cold War ended in 1991.
We control Middle Eastern oil The Middle East is no longer a threat to our citizens No more excess Nuclear Weapons
Need I be more clear?
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On a non-serious note... ^_^ *does the new siggy dance*
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:27 pm
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:41 pm
It's easy to see the anwser to my question was no. Because, if it had been yes you would know that you worry every second for their saftey. Not once does a thought go by in my mind that's not connected with how my dad is doing. And to have the audacity. Audacity... to say his life isn't worth anything if only to be cannon fodder to better oil reserves in the US?
It's funny how when one person thinks they know what's really going on in the world today, it's really just based on opinions and heresay from sources they deem "reputable".
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:53 pm
<_< Nonononononononononononono!!! Please don't misunderstand!
I'm saying a soldiers life is worth way more than any of this bullshit, and that I'd prefer the uick and clean method of conflict resolution over a long drawn out dumbass war. Screw fighting, we have all these weapons and we're still fighting a ground war.
It just makes more sense to blow the crap out of the Middle East and end the problem here and now before anyone *coughchinacough* has the military and economic capacity to stop us.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:07 pm
Cole Eastcott <_< Nonononononononononononono!!! Please don't misunderstand! I'm saying a soldiers life is worth way more than any of this bullshit, and that I'd prefer the uick and clean method of conflict resolution over a long drawn out dumbass war. Screw fighting, we have all these weapons and we're still fighting a ground war. It just makes more sense to blow the crap out of the Middle East and end the problem here and now before anyone *coughchinacough* has the military and economic capacity to stop us. While I slightly agree with blowing the Middle East off the map... I have to disagree as well.
War is human. That is the simple fact. A fight between you and I, either here on Gaia or in the real world is a war just the same, just on a smaller scale. While not all humans are predisposed towards violence it still doesn't negate the fact that we benefit from it both economically and ego wise. The factor that is so detrimental today is determining who the enemy is. What once was black and white ( us vs. the Germans/Japanese, etc ) is now muddled by factors beyond most peoples thinking ability.
Do I want my dad over in Iraq? Of course not. He's a frontline battle medic and that's not exactly the safest job. However, on the same note I know what he's doing in right. He's a soldier fighting a inconsequencial war with no end looming in sight. A civil war is on the brink and every good they've done has been overshadowed by the evils done to them in return.
I know why we're in Iraq and it's not to help the Iraqi people. That doesn't take away from what they've done some good and that's the one thing that consoles me. The one thing that keeps me from thinking that is he does... then it will not be for a lost cause.
I want him home...
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:13 pm
*Sighs out long and hard.*
Yeah, that the ugly truth isn't it? Bullets hurt people, but ideas are bulletproof. -_-
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>_> Who would have thought we'd be having a conversation like this in the OOC thread of a RP guild of all place. ^^
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:26 pm
Cole Eastcott >_> Who would have thought we'd be having a conversation like this in the OOC thread of a RP guild of all place. ^^ Why not?
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:32 pm
Cole Eastcott *Sighs out long and hard.* Yeah, that the ugly truth isn't it? Bullets hurt people, but ideas are bulletproof. -_- ----------------------- >_> Who would have thought we'd be having a conversation like this in the OOC thread of a RP guild of all place. ^^ You'd be surprised at what's been posted in the last 2500 pages.
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Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:50 pm
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:49 am
gonk Yes, all the rants..... oh the rants...
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:00 am
It's a shame that Yotsy wasnt around for that last bout of intelligent conversation; Yotsy has her two cents sweatdrop But will wait until it arises again. Other then that; Xol, I hope that your father comes back to you alive.
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:05 am
id love to go on a rant about the crap both sides are flinging at one another in this skirmish, but its just too much all at once to really take a go at. much as id love to, we all know theres more then just one side to it, and that theres alot of misinterpretation, on top of mislead feelings. i kinda like sitting in the rather nuetral position that i am. kinda wish most people could have that kind of lack of worry, but that would involve a lack of any kind of conflict and more worry about personal productivity in society, not about trying just to get food each day to stay alive, and not worry about.. ionno.. a 2 ton bomb pile driving a hole the size of a mall into the ground >.>;..
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:22 am
Blowing the middle east to kingdom come wouldn't help. Safer, perhaps, but for who? It would be saving the lives of our military, yes, but it would also be ending the lives of lots of innocent people. Plus it would only further my point of US being the least favored country in the world. Pretty much everyone hates us for one reason or another. And if it isn't the government that says it to our face, its the people who preach it in the streets. Droppin bombs that could litterally bomb a country into rubble would only show that the US has no self control when it comes to war and then guess what would happen. Everyone with a grudge against us would join forces and would probably do the same to us. Or they could even go so far as to invade and claim they did it to get Bush out've power for lack of self control. Hmmm....does this sound familiar? Oh yeah! Its what Bush said he was doing to Iraq. Hahaha! The dramatic irony.
And before anyone who may have loved ones in Iraq says I don't know what it's like, stop (and no I'm not picking on Xol; there are probably some of you who have family over there or perhaps know someone over there, its just Xol was the only one who would admit he had a parent over there). I've heard all the preaching before and have felt the same loss. My friend's sister lost her fiance in Iraq. I had two cousins, not even soldiers, who were helping people in Afghanistan and had a building dropped down on them for it.
Do I believe Iraq was better with Saddam Huessein? No. Do I think he had WMD? Perhaps, but none were found. Do I think Bush went over there to take Saddam out've power? Perhaps. Do I think Bush wanted cheap Oil? You bet your a**. I don't know what goes through Bush's mind and I never will know. Did he want to truly take Saddam out've power? Maybe, but the fact remains that instead of showing good faith in the people of Iraq and trusting them with their own oil, he started taking it for himself. Do I think Bush is a good president? No, he got in a war with Iraq that was unneccessary. Do I think fighting a War on Terrorism is stupid? Yes, I do because you never will be able to fight a war on terrorism and succeed. Hunting for Osama Bin Laden is good and all and trying to prevent him from attacking us again on our own soil is great but what are the odds we're gonna round up every single Taliban member? What are the odds that these people who fight with a righteous zealousy in their hearts are going to stop attacking the US, which they believe is the cause of all their problems, just because their leaders have been taken away? Pretty bad odds. -End Rant-
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:01 pm
Verge Zenith Annnyways, you don't have to worry bout that though Zero, seein as you live in Canadia. sweatdrop Not for long. Bloody Prime Minister's already making us more like the states by changing gun laws and the like. One of the two things that set us apart. Gun laws, and free healthcare. I'm moving to England first chance I get. God save the Queen.
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