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Well that's good, sounds like a good plan.

Yea, and I mean there are professional ways to interject. Oh well, hopefully they've learned too. So will you have to keep working with this group in the future (or just for your own benefit you are switching to essays)? Because if so that might explain the niceness. My friend had a group project recently, well a partner project. Her partner kept blowing her off, went behind her back to the professor and said that she couldn't get a hold of my friend and wanted to work alone. Did not tell my friend this and so the day before the project is due they haven't started and she's done her own solo project. In the end it worked out great, my friend hated their topic and her project ended up being WAY better than this other girls. Still the hassle sucks.

That doesn't sound too bad percentage wise, so long as everyone does well everywhere else.

And yea, I'd have a hard time continually studying myself. I mean if I loved the stuff and was well invested, but if that were the case I doubt I'd be having issues with testing in the first place. I'd much rather get through things than put them off, I'm also better with a deadline. So it's better to just push me to the end than to just let the end dangle infinitely in front.

Oh I do, but like, I'm not entirely right brained (which is good, it's how I cope with my artistic failings). So I need more than the creative to be stimulated. I need my other faculties enticed as well. Sometimes I think it's funny that I have more math/science friends than liberal arts friends. But other times it makes perfect sense. I mean I get what I need of liberal arts from my own studies. And I get the rest hashing it with them. I mean even when we are on a creative topic they approach it from a whole new way, a very left brain way. Which is wonderful, I especially enjoy that.

My math major friend sent me this, telling me how we are from different worlds. I rather adore it:



Have you had a job before? That sentence makes it sound like a past failed attempt. Anything specific you looking into?

It was AMAZING, I absolutely adored that class. I actually liked the environment of being in class. I mean subject matter aside, I got TONS from actually listening to real life cultural experiences here. Some people are more hard core than others, and some aren't even from here. They are from places like Egypt, Turkey...and Saudi Arabia, which you may or may not be aware has some pretty extremist precepts, so it's interesting hearing about life on the other side. Sure I felt awkward speaking, but I am definitely glad I got that in class experience. I learned as much if not more from my classmates. Anyhow even without that, yes the subject matter is very very interesting. And, like Christianity, you'll get to see how perverted Islam has become as well. I mean I already never thought they were crazy extremists or anything, but you really get to see how the image of "terrorism" has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam. But hey, it's perspective. I meant he Crusaders aren't marked as terrorists, but they kind of did the exact same thing. Hope you like the class, I highly recommend religious studies - just because it's a fascinating thing and such an ingrained part of society. People take it for granted, but it played (plays) a big role in shaping us as a system.

Yea, I do like being in control so that's not such a bad thing. It's just about them not doing the work, or really just being lazy, that bothers me. I love being in charge. But yes, I don't really get into it with teachers unless it's impossible for me to function without these people (which it never has been, so that's a hypothetical), but there are indirect things. Like a project senior year of HS in which names went on each individual contribution to a newspaper project. Everyone's name was on the front, but there were 3 of 6 names on the majority of everything. 2 other guys half-assed some things and one girl did nothing, she never even came to class. Me and my best friend did most of it, and this other guy did tons for us. He wasn't that smart but he really tried, and he researched stuff for us and basically did all the leg work so we could just put it together and maybe touch up some of his grammatical phrasings and whatnot. But yea, we made sure the teacher knew that he and us did the project.

She sounds wretched. And she's had other things up with her as well, but I need to wake up in less than 7 hours for a VERY full day (time trials for the team I coach and then springint to SF for my friends graduation, a reception, and then dinner) so I won't get into all that now. But yes, yay happy endings.

Wow, that really sucks, I'm really glad all your stuff is ok. Losing work is my biggest fear, so yes, very very happy to hear nothing was ruined.

Yea, I usually get the left brained things from math, science, politics - but as I avoid the latter and don't really have much call for the first two (though I do miss sitting around working out long integrals - my absolute favorite part of Calculus), it's usually in discussions with people in these fields (and the limited amount of medical study my various jobs require of me) that keep that part of my brain working. I mean I like logic, it's definitely my thing, but it's only a tip of the iceberg, so I like computation and other skill sets as well.

I think the majority of my friends do tend to lean one way or the other. I mean some like me hold well in the middle, but most tend to think one way or the other - in spite of what they do/study and where they work. The ones who just really want to work out of their strength work harder, but it's still evident in how they think and process where their natural talents lie.

I'm actually not sure where history falls on the spectrum actually. I mean actual work within the historic field. I mean interpretation is rarely appreciated in a history class, it's all about making evidence relay facts. It's chronology, it's pattern study. History is just about as left brained as it is right, if not more so. I get why it gets placed in liberal arts, and why people would think it's right brained, but it's not really.

Inventory at dealerships? Is that a family connection? B/c that would be a very random thing if not. I have a friend whose probably worked as an electrician/carpenter since a young age, because that's what her dad is (electrician), so he'd take her on jobs. Disadvantage to having parents in the medical field, no chance of picking up "family" work.

I didn't work in HS either, I got my first job the summer after senior year. Yea the economy is boom, though it is recovering. I guess for the most part I'm also not picky about where I work, though I do rather love my jobs. But I guess if you really want a job you have to be flexible in what you'll do, especially without a real work resume - and I mean really flexible. At least until you have something to show as "work experience." You want to stay long enough even at something menial and/or otherwise unlikeable to (a) count it as significant experience (a minimum of a few months) and (b) get someone to write you a letter of rec. A letter of reference can really make a difference when you have nothing else. My brother is 21 and is only just now getting his first job, it's been really hard because without work experience it's hard to get work.

A lot of my friends don't want to just work food service, or retail or clerical - or not at the places they can get hired. So they are giving up and going back to school. They were planning to anyhow, but they were trying to save money first. As they can't do that anyhow, they might as well just finish school. Why wait around 3 years doing nothing, and then working, and then going back to school to get the degrees to do the lab work or whatever they want to do. I just wish I knew the economy was going to crash, because that was pretty much the end of my senior year of college. I woulda gone straight on to grad school had I been able to predict that.

Yea, well hopefully you'll get the viewpoint perspective with the online course as well, because that's the best part. Though the history is really rich and interesting as well.

I guess for me, I don't care about lazy people learning. I mean if it never catches up to them, well then obviously that isn't true. They don't need to learn jack s**t. And if they don't, well, I can't say I won't take some smug satisfaction out of their falling flat on their faces. I mean almost nobody gets ahead of life riding on just group projects anyhow, but hey, the fewer that get to learn lessons, the less competition I'll have in the work world. Sure, it's crazy to want to encourage incompetence, but, there are way too many people. If people don't want to learn, don't want to work, don't want to do anything - good. More work and space for me.

That does suck, how did the water main break anyhow?

Oh, I've never taken an Art History class, and I think the fact that Art History and History (at least at my school and most schools I'm familiar with) are never the same major. I'm sure that's what Art History classes are. However History classes, no way! You try to interpret s**t in a history class and you are going to get slammed to the ground! Trust, me as an English major I hopped into my first English class totally in "analysis" mode. I get my first paper back with the comments strong thesis, great analysis, etc etc...needs more footnotes Grade: B-. Seriously. I was like, huh? What, should I just cut and paste my textbook onto a piece of paper? Honestly, pretty much. You don't analyze and interpret in history. Especially at the undergrad level. If your creativity (and your opinion if it's an opinion not already publicly acknowledge by an accredited historian) goes into it, you are wrong!! Get out of your head and get with the accredited people! Only they matter!!!

*sigh* I still love History though, and once I figured out how it works I did great, almost as well as with English. But it was a totally different world. I'm glad though, I didn't want to minor in the same world I was majoring in. Anyhow religious studies is much more open to interpretation and opinions. Which is a good thing, considering.

Ah, nice. And yes, it IS a loop of fail. Just catching on? The one thing I've learned from school is that if you don't want to work in food service, spend school making connections. My friend had a connection at Lockheed Martin (engineering, designing, manufacturing - mostly in relation to aerospace craft and missiles) and now has a full time job there. Know how I said I only had 1 - 2 friends who were really getting out with their BA actually suited for a career? Yea well she's it. I mean first job out of college I think she's making around 70K a year starting, pretty good, especially in this economy. How'd she get in? Connection. Sure having top notch grades in her Aerospace Engineering program helped qualify her, but her foot in the door was another person. So really another good thing about college is that professors have connections, particularly with certain fields. My friend who just graduated in graphic design is hardly on her feet yet, but she did get starting work for now from a professor. I didn't make friends with my professors because I didn't need help, now I see why I shoulda just gone to office hours anyhow. You never know who might be able to point you where.

Anyhow, if by "get sick" you mean you are prone to illness, yes, stay out of food service. If you mean get grossed out, well, there are several ways around that. First of all Food Service is one of the largest industries - with several positions - not all of which require you to handle food. I worked in food service for almost 2 years before I ever handled food (and actually, ended up realizing I loved that, way easier than register/customer service/inventory/stock/etc). There are people responsible for stock, registers - heck there is even janitorial. Might not sound pleasant, but trash is usually remnants, not much to it. And because it's gross it pays better. Even within the realm of food service, there are nicer jobs, and not just salad bar. I mean I said food service, not fast food service. Although even a lot of fast food places, so much of the actual cookery is automated. You don't do much. It's also fast for a reason, it's not much "food" to it (well it's food, but not what you're thinking). I mean working at Pizza Hut Express I put a frozen piece of dough in a dish. Let it rise overnight. Nothing gross, the next day, the dough is in a dish. Other than taking this device to press it flat it's no work. Then you put raw ingredients on it. The meat is frozen initially, there is nothing greasy or all that "disgustingly" food like about it. It's not greasy and what not until it came out of the oven, and then it was done. It was just take the spatula and scoop it into a box.

Some food service work is more strenuous than other, a little more disgusting than others. It's just depends on where you are and how things are assembled, so you'd have to look into it. I mean I at first went in saying "no food service." But honestly, food service is HUGE! So if you are finding nothing else, look into food service. I mean something is always better than nothing. And you'll probably find something that you'll realize actually isn't that bad and you can totally do. I did, so I'm glad I didn't hang around waiting for something else.

Also the upside to food service? Especially working on campus? Between being able to take home leftovers, getting meals and coffee and such while I work (through anywhere in Silo, not just where I worked - that meant the pre-made sandwiches and food, the sandwich place, crepe place, pizza hut, carls jr, taco bell, coffee place - though mostly just used pre-made, crepe, sandwich and coffee) - I literally saved THOUSANDS on food. No kidding. The most I'd ever spend in a month on food was $30 - $50, and I mean that's mostly if I actually went out places with friends for the social aspect of it. So unlike retail which doesn't pay very well either, you'll at least be saving thousands elsewhere if you pick your job right. I mean unless you truly are spending thousands on clothes a year, and NEED an employee discount. Then ok, check Macys. ^_~

Yea, but I mean even some of the readings we did were experience type things. Biographies that weren't about fact and religion, but about people in the community. So even if there is no forum you might get something that way.

Mmm, well, telling on them won't make them go away, or make them be helpful. It'll maybe make them hate you, but that's about it. You can't motivate people in such a manner. That'll just make them defensive. Like the girl my friend was working with who was CLEARLY a lazy jerk (and a bit of an idiot, but that's something else entirely). Her mentality was, "my friend was unapproachable" - even though my friend sent her multiple messages trying to get together to work. The problem won't be them, it'll be you. I mean in the end telling on them might feel like some nice revenge, but that's honestly it. And that's not enough of a motive for me to do that. Weirdly I don't care about revenge on people who aren't my friends - and I don't let people who are my friends get away with that. Though I wouldn't be friends with people who'd do that, or who'd do that to me at the very least. It's only if bringing up a point will help my grade, then I'll do it.

I was afraid of that, that's the worst. I mean ugh, I already stated elsewhere that I hate vandalism. But I mean I SERIOUSLY hate vandalism. I mean other than murderers/violent dangerous criminals, and perhaps thieves (though usually it's more about robbing an individual than a corporation, not nice to pick on the little guy who really can't recover form such a thing) there aren't people I wish horrible things on more so than vandals. I want their lives to be destroyed the way the stuff they touch is.

Oh yea I'm not talking about Social Sciences at the HS level. Those are run like English classes, which is why I got so throw for a loop when I started studying history as an academic. I think Economics is the only Social Studies class in HS that's run more similarly to a college course. American Political Systems vary in how they are taught.

Yea, I know TV gives you that impression, but nu-uh. Not always, or even most of the time. Most places have cashier/cook/etc as separate positions and you apply for a specific position. Some places have some cross, and of course the larger the location the easier it will be to get sick time. Or to be put on assignment elsewhere when you are ill. When I was ill even when we were understaffed, and I was on register, I was sent home. I mean in general you don't want people around open food when they are sick. So yea you just have to look around, see what the specific requirements/positions are, and how that would work for you. Find out if you are working with food what their policies are in relation to illness. And if something ends up not being what you expected, you can always quit.

People generally don't drop out of college for failing grades (drop outs are mainly people with family or financial conflicts), though they might be kicked out. They usually just find better ways to not fail. I mean I've watched tons of slackers. The ones who get into college for the most part have made it an art, and can do it well. They push the boundaries as much as they can.

Yea I wish the worst on them. But I'm very possessive of "my things," so I just get really angry at people who take or ruin stuff. Ruining is even wasteful so that almost pisses me off more. Almost, not quite. People benefiting from my things still wins.

Well that is an Econ fail indeed! I got to get my business sense, maths, logics and world policy on in that class. Also my teacher was a babe! Oh how I wanted to run my fingers through his hair. xd

Yea, I mean like I said it's not 100% but TV gives the impression that's how the entire food industry works. Whereas that's how a select area work. But yea, again if you get sick - even if it has it's perks and a myriad of options - you probably need to avoid food service. I only brought the whole separate duties up because originally I was unsure if it was just a "grease makes me gag" type deal.

And aww, how far away are they moving? Will this up heave your life greatly? Will you not see Karma? Will you be far away from DnD? Will they just move 4 blocks? You could look for some type of online work, but yea, those can be difficult to secure and/or sketchy. Congrats on the aide though. What exactly does work study entail? What kind of opportunities do you have through it? I've never totally understood that.

Yup, as do most decent people. But they aren't exactly the decent types here are they? They not only live like that, they thrive on it. They NEED to be that way. And I resent them and their selfish evil needs. But I'm not going to fight it. I mean hey, they - at the moment at least - aren't exterminating an entire people, bombing buildings, raping children, etc etc. So I'll save my energy for bigger causes, eviler fiends, and all that jazz.

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Oh noes, I draw hecka curly tails! wink

Hmm, have you ever gone to a doctor about it? I mean having a low immune system and getting colds a lot isn't an uncommon thing, but it could still be a symptom of something larger.

I think you should definitely apply, I mean if you have to quit that would be too bad but not the most hurtful thing to your resume. I mean it's better to take the shot at building a resume then have nothing. Also 20 minutes isn't so far. And if you know where they are thinking about going look for jobs in the center of it. That way, wherever you live, you could maybe find something you could do regardless. I don't know if you have a license, or what public transportation is like, but there is probably something you can do. I mean a 20 minute commute is nothing. I had a job with a 45 minute commute (assuming traffic was good, an hour+ when it wasn't) for a brief while, and now work for a school district where the furthest location I'll drive to is about 20 minutes away (I like that location but I do prefer to go to one of the places that is within 5 - 10 minutes, I like that extra sleep). So yea, you might as well apply, and even if you move maybe you'll find something you can work with, because that's not very far to go.

Oh that's good, and yea, that would make getting hired for the university either. I mean when I worked in food service it wasn't for the university, that wouldn't help with that. A lot of large universities contract out for food service - and honestly it's more beneficial to students and the university. It ended up being a bit of a controversy for non-student workers, which is not the majority of the workers, and I get where they are getting screwed a bit, but then the students ended up getting screwed after. However that whole debacle was right before my graduation, so it never effected me.

Hmm...perhaps, haha. I won't lie, in spite of having minimal interest in the super hero genre, I do tend to have a rather high amount of vigilante fantasies. xd

...now I just wonder, how would I look in spandex...hahaha, j/k j/k! I'm definitely going to be the trench coat type anti-hero.

Aww, that is sad. Well, maybe Econ is where you learned how to be kinky? It taught you more curls are important, hehe.

Yea, I guess having a doctor and a nurse for parents "putting" off the medical is just blasphemy to me. I mean true, I wouldn't have health insurance now that I'm off my parents if they didn't pay for it for me. And they pay for it because of that, because I'm not allowed to not have insurance. My mom deals with patients every day who are condemned to die pretty much because they catch things too late or because they don't have the insurance to deal with it. So yea, her paranoia (based on sad experience) rules my medical life. I have pretty kick a** (pretty expensive) medical, a PCP and go to the doctor at least once a year, keeping all immunizations up to date.

That aside, I'm sure you're fine. *is shot*...haha, although doesn't your school have some sort of health care? I mean UCD absolutely required health insurance. You either had to provide proof that you had your own or enroll with the school plan (which isn't amazing, but at least made sure everyone had affordable health coverage), so I couldn't have gone to college if I didn't have medical. And I had to do it all 4 years, it wasn't just at entry, every fall I had to prove I had insurance or enroll in SHIP (don't remember what that stands for anymore...student health insurance plan? Maybe?). Even if not, there's probably a free clinic somewhere in your area. But yea, I mean chances are you are probably fine...for now, dun dun dun! I think 1/4 women will develop some breast Cancer at some point in their life, and I think 1/4 people develop some type of Cancer. Statistics are something like that. Pretty much having ovaries will increase your chances of dying. Thank you great creator. xd

Yea, I hate driving as well, but it is indeed better to build your resume - especially in a time where we are getting off a recession, unemployment is at an all time high, and the gap between the lower and upper classes is substantially increasing. Take what you can get, especially for such a small inconvenience.

Haha, true that!