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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:41 pm
Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp Tairu Khime *Spoiler* Madara is Tazuna the Bridge Builder *Spoiler* He was at Konoha after the Invasion of Pain Arc... o.o That can't be right. How would he be able to use Time-Space ninjutsu? And if he really was, then wouldn't he have just taken Naruto at any time since he was already inside the village?
Spoiler (kind of): I still say there's some kind of conspiracy between Madara and Izuna. I think that the real Madara probably died sometime in the past, and somehow was about to make or train a replacement until now. Considering the real Madara's shinobi prowess, he wouldn't have been so coy about capturing the jinchuriki, he could have gone and taken them easily using Space-Time Ninjutsu. So I propose that the Tobi Madara has been an impostor for at least since Naruto was born.
Or... and stay with me here... what if Madara perfected some kind of Izangi alteration? We've only seen him with one Sharingan since the Nine-Tails Attack on Konoha.
Also, another theory. The only person to perfect Space-Time Ninjutsu was Minato. So what if Madara had taken Minato's body and was controlling it somehow similar to Nagato controlling Pein, except without the user being alive, seeing as the real Madara is dead.
Just something else to put out there. When the real Madara was resurrected, he seemed startled and confused when he realized that he'd been summoned using Impure World Resurrection, meaning he must have died sometime before he met Kabuto for sure. 1. We see both Tobi's Sharingan during his fight with Konan.
2. Tobirama made the ultimate summoning technique. Edo Tensei. Summoning = time-space ninjutsu.
3. Izanagi has only two forms... that imperfect version used by Danzo, and then the Perfect version used by those who have the Rinnegan. The power to create.
4. Madara died after giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Because he knew for some reason that nagato had grown up... he just thought he was brought back to life with Izanagi I suppose. Why would that cause him to die? Huh? I wasn't talking about his cause of death... was talking about WHEN he died and how he thought he would be resurrected.
Tobi was probably ordered by the real Madara to put Nagato under a genjutsu and to bring him back to life via Izanagi or or this.
Madara was EXPECTING Nagato to revive from the dead, NOT be revived via Impure World Resurrection. That means Madara DID give Nagato the Rinnegan and DID survive the fight with Hashirama Senju. That theory has a few holes in it. If Nagato was under a genjutsu and was ordered to bring Madara back to life, Tobi would be freaking out after Nagato's death because he wouldn't be able to bring back Madara, thus he wouldn't have been so bold to go on the offensive to start the Fourth Great Shinobi War. Tobi had to have had something in mind as far as bringing back Madara that didn't involve Nagato, and when Kabuto somehow came across DNA remnants of the real Madara and revived him using Impure World Resurrection, this messed up Tobi's plans to bring him back. Tobi was shocked that Kabuto had Madara in his arsenal to the point where he couldn't reject Kabuto's request to take Sasuke, and said that to take on Kabuto would only weaken his side, which didn't have the strengthened force of 10,000 as we see today.
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:44 pm
*Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:49 pm
NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 That can't be right. How would he be able to use Time-Space ninjutsu? And if he really was, then wouldn't he have just taken Naruto at any time since he was already inside the village?
Spoiler (kind of): I still say there's some kind of conspiracy between Madara and Izuna. I think that the real Madara probably died sometime in the past, and somehow was about to make or train a replacement until now. Considering the real Madara's shinobi prowess, he wouldn't have been so coy about capturing the jinchuriki, he could have gone and taken them easily using Space-Time Ninjutsu. So I propose that the Tobi Madara has been an impostor for at least since Naruto was born.
Or... and stay with me here... what if Madara perfected some kind of Izangi alteration? We've only seen him with one Sharingan since the Nine-Tails Attack on Konoha.
Also, another theory. The only person to perfect Space-Time Ninjutsu was Minato. So what if Madara had taken Minato's body and was controlling it somehow similar to Nagato controlling Pein, except without the user being alive, seeing as the real Madara is dead.
Just something else to put out there. When the real Madara was resurrected, he seemed startled and confused when he realized that he'd been summoned using Impure World Resurrection, meaning he must have died sometime before he met Kabuto for sure. 1. We see both Tobi's Sharingan during his fight with Konan.
2. Tobirama made the ultimate summoning technique. Edo Tensei. Summoning = time-space ninjutsu.
3. Izanagi has only two forms... that imperfect version used by Danzo, and then the Perfect version used by those who have the Rinnegan. The power to create.
4. Madara died after giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Because he knew for some reason that nagato had grown up... he just thought he was brought back to life with Izanagi I suppose. Why would that cause him to die? Huh? I wasn't talking about his cause of death... was talking about WHEN he died and how he thought he would be resurrected.
Tobi was probably ordered by the real Madara to put Nagato under a genjutsu and to bring him back to life via Izanagi or or this.
Madara was EXPECTING Nagato to revive from the dead, NOT be revived via Impure World Resurrection. That means Madara DID give Nagato the Rinnegan and DID survive the fight with Hashirama Senju. That theory has a few holes in it. If Nagato was under a genjutsu and was ordered to bring Madara back to life, Tobi would be freaking out after Nagato's death because he wouldn't be able to bring back Madara, thus he wouldn't have been so bold to go on the offensive to start the Fourth Great Shinobi War. Tobi had to have had something in mind as far as bringing back Madara that didn't involve Nagato, and when Kabuto somehow came across DNA remnants of the real Madara and revived him using Impure World Resurrection, this messed up Tobi's plans to bring him back. Tobi was shocked that Kabuto had Madara in his arsenal to the point where he couldn't reject Kabuto's request to take Sasuke, and said that to take on Kabuto would only weaken his side, which didn't have the strengthened force of 10,000 as we see today. This is probably why Tobi took the Rinnegan... so he could just do it himself. But yes, Kabuto probably did ruin some plans... but he was pleased to have someone who knew Edo Tensei and had that many undead at his disposal. Tobi probably realized he didn't even need Madara anymore...
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:53 pm
Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 That can't be right. How would he be able to use Time-Space ninjutsu? And if he really was, then wouldn't he have just taken Naruto at any time since he was already inside the village?
Spoiler (kind of): I still say there's some kind of conspiracy between Madara and Izuna. I think that the real Madara probably died sometime in the past, and somehow was about to make or train a replacement until now. Considering the real Madara's shinobi prowess, he wouldn't have been so coy about capturing the jinchuriki, he could have gone and taken them easily using Space-Time Ninjutsu. So I propose that the Tobi Madara has been an impostor for at least since Naruto was born.
Or... and stay with me here... what if Madara perfected some kind of Izangi alteration? We've only seen him with one Sharingan since the Nine-Tails Attack on Konoha.
Also, another theory. The only person to perfect Space-Time Ninjutsu was Minato. So what if Madara had taken Minato's body and was controlling it somehow similar to Nagato controlling Pein, except without the user being alive, seeing as the real Madara is dead.
Just something else to put out there. When the real Madara was resurrected, he seemed startled and confused when he realized that he'd been summoned using Impure World Resurrection, meaning he must have died sometime before he met Kabuto for sure. 1. We see both Tobi's Sharingan during his fight with Konan.
2. Tobirama made the ultimate summoning technique. Edo Tensei. Summoning = time-space ninjutsu.
3. Izanagi has only two forms... that imperfect version used by Danzo, and then the Perfect version used by those who have the Rinnegan. The power to create.
4. Madara died after giving Nagato the Rinnegan. Because he knew for some reason that nagato had grown up... he just thought he was brought back to life with Izanagi I suppose. Why would that cause him to die? Huh? I wasn't talking about his cause of death... was talking about WHEN he died and how he thought he would be resurrected.
Tobi was probably ordered by the real Madara to put Nagato under a genjutsu and to bring him back to life via Izanagi or or this.
Madara was EXPECTING Nagato to revive from the dead, NOT be revived via Impure World Resurrection. That means Madara DID give Nagato the Rinnegan and DID survive the fight with Hashirama Senju. That theory has a few holes in it. If Nagato was under a genjutsu and was ordered to bring Madara back to life, Tobi would be freaking out after Nagato's death because he wouldn't be able to bring back Madara, thus he wouldn't have been so bold to go on the offensive to start the Fourth Great Shinobi War. Tobi had to have had something in mind as far as bringing back Madara that didn't involve Nagato, and when Kabuto somehow came across DNA remnants of the real Madara and revived him using Impure World Resurrection, this messed up Tobi's plans to bring him back. Tobi was shocked that Kabuto had Madara in his arsenal to the point where he couldn't reject Kabuto's request to take Sasuke, and said that to take on Kabuto would only weaken his side, which didn't have the strengthened force of 10,000 as we see today. This is probably why Tobi took the Rinnegan... so he could just do it himself. But yes, Kabuto probably did ruin some plans... but he was pleased to have someone who knew Edo Tensei and had that many undead at his disposal. Tobi probably realized he didn't even need Madara anymore... Then why would he want Kabuto to resurrect Madara for the fight?
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:11 am
NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 Why would that cause him to die? Huh? I wasn't talking about his cause of death... was talking about WHEN he died and how he thought he would be resurrected.
Tobi was probably ordered by the real Madara to put Nagato under a genjutsu and to bring him back to life via Izanagi or or this.
Madara was EXPECTING Nagato to revive from the dead, NOT be revived via Impure World Resurrection. That means Madara DID give Nagato the Rinnegan and DID survive the fight with Hashirama Senju. That theory has a few holes in it. If Nagato was under a genjutsu and was ordered to bring Madara back to life, Tobi would be freaking out after Nagato's death because he wouldn't be able to bring back Madara, thus he wouldn't have been so bold to go on the offensive to start the Fourth Great Shinobi War. Tobi had to have had something in mind as far as bringing back Madara that didn't involve Nagato, and when Kabuto somehow came across DNA remnants of the real Madara and revived him using Impure World Resurrection, this messed up Tobi's plans to bring him back. Tobi was shocked that Kabuto had Madara in his arsenal to the point where he couldn't reject Kabuto's request to take Sasuke, and said that to take on Kabuto would only weaken his side, which didn't have the strengthened force of 10,000 as we see today. This is probably why Tobi took the Rinnegan... so he could just do it himself. But yes, Kabuto probably did ruin some plans... but he was pleased to have someone who knew Edo Tensei and had that many undead at his disposal. Tobi probably realized he didn't even need Madara anymore... Then why would he want Kabuto to resurrect Madara for the fight? Kabuto said how to stop Edo Tensei... so if Madara gets sealed, hopefully after a prolonged fight of some kage level people dying... then Kabuto is screwed. Unless Kabuto has something else up his sleeve... like a SHOW STOPPER.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:46 am
I don't follow? What does that do with Tobi?
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:17 am
NinjaSamurai360 I don't follow? What does that do with Tobi? Genjutsu Kabuto to undo the Edo Tensei, unseal Madara, and then revive him again through the Creation technique so that Madara Uchiha is actually ALIVE and well.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:35 am
Qyp NinjaSamurai360 I don't follow? What does that do with Tobi? Genjutsu Kabuto to undo the Edo Tensei, unseal Madara, and then revive him again through the Creation technique so that Madara Uchiha is actually ALIVE and well. Eh, I think I'd rather have an invincible Madara. Simply kill Kabuto while Madara has his consciousness, then you have an indestructible Madara, unless you seal him. The Moon's Eye Plan would be much simpler then
I think that Tobi is waiting to use the Creation of All Things Technique to recreate the Ten-Tails. Simply collecting all the Tailed-Beasts won't rejoin them, and having all the chakra necessary to reform the Ten-Tails would make a significantly lower Chakra cost.
Something else I thought about, wouldn't the Ten-Tails be noticeably weaker since half the Kyubi's chakra is sealed with the Shinigami?
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 2:36 am
NinjaSamurai360 Qyp NinjaSamurai360 I don't follow? What does that do with Tobi? Genjutsu Kabuto to undo the Edo Tensei, unseal Madara, and then revive him again through the Creation technique so that Madara Uchiha is actually ALIVE and well. Eh, I think I'd rather have an invincible Madara. Simply kill Kabuto while Madara has his consciousness, then you have an indestructible Madara, unless you seal him. The Moon's Eye Plan would be much simpler then
I think that Tobi is waiting to use the Creation of All Things Technique to recreate the Ten-Tails. Simply collecting all the Tailed-Beasts won't rejoin them, and having all the chakra necessary to reform the Ten-Tails would make a significantly lower Chakra cost.
Something else I thought about, wouldn't the Ten-Tails be noticeably weaker since half the Kyubi's chakra is sealed with the Shinigami?Kumo's Gold & Silver Bros.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:09 am
Rachel Genova *Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^ Right! I never did get to use my super-duper evil guy, after going through all the trouble of getting his clan through razz . P.S. It's so cool to come back and have to catch up on chatter pages smile
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:20 am
cheerios18 Rachel Genova *Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^ Right! I never did get to use my super-duper evil guy, after going through all the trouble of getting his clan through razz . P.S. It's so cool to come back and have to catch up on chatter pages smile CHEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:26 am
Seems like a lot of the old members are coming back! biggrin
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:02 pm
Black n White_07 cheerios18 Rachel Genova *Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^ Right! I never did get to use my super-duper evil guy, after going through all the trouble of getting his clan through razz . P.S. It's so cool to come back and have to catch up on chatter pages smile CHEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin *Hides Cheer in Taki while waving her hand* You see nothing... Cheer isn't here... ninja
@Cheer: Yeah, there's not enough conflict right now, so I'm thinking about creating some. Maybe have a few Fifth Dawn follow orders "loosely". XD ((I can't exactly make Naka evil without having to rewrite her character... but if she had motivation to perhaps... "investigate"... *lol*
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:29 pm
Black n White_07 cheerios18 Rachel Genova *Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^ Right! I never did get to use my super-duper evil guy, after going through all the trouble of getting his clan through razz . P.S. It's so cool to come back and have to catch up on chatter pages smile CHEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin Whooo!!!! Yeah, I think Proto pmed everybody.
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Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 12:31 pm
Rachel Genova Black n White_07 cheerios18 Rachel Genova *Pokes Cheer* Hey you! I think someone should revive their Kage wink wink and make them a wanderer. razz Or, better yet, a Fifth Dawn Member. 3nodding
@Bev: I remember your username, but I never Rp'd with you before... but I do remember you! ^_^ Right! I never did get to use my super-duper evil guy, after going through all the trouble of getting his clan through razz . P.S. It's so cool to come back and have to catch up on chatter pages smile CHEER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! biggrin *Hides Cheer in Taki while waving her hand* You see nothing... Cheer isn't here... ninja
@Cheer: Yeah, there's not enough conflict right now, so I'm thinking about creating some. Maybe have a few Fifth Dawn follow orders "loosely". XD ((I can't exactly make Naka evil without having to rewrite her character... but if she had motivation to perhaps... "investigate"... *lol*mmhmmm, yes... fifth dawn, I totally remember what that is. *Goes to hunt in guild history* Edit: Yikes sorry about the double post eek
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