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As an auxiliary force and with my knowledge of how Elysians work, this list looks like it should be a pretty nasty rapid anti-tank force.

Actually, these guys are Tyrannic War veterans, so the main part of the army list is tailored towards fighting Nids. But for most games I just ignore that rule and throw them in fights with my brother's Orks.

I actually need more flamers, but seeing as those are expensive (see FW site) I have to make do with those demo charges, which have a 50-50 ratio of actually working out for me.

That they can all deep strike, have BS4 and have the combined effects of close order drill, chem inhalers and die-hards are moot points when facing orks with lasguns and shotguns.

I know I wouldn't, it's just rude

right now they're like space marines w/o the power armour, lol

And you know what? They're almost perfectly legal under normal doctrines from the Imperial Guard codex. Just take Special Weapons squads, Veterans, Close Order Drill, Chem-Inhalers, Drop Troops, and Die-hards. Six doctrines? They're famous and experienced enough to have more than five.

Forgeworld's units and armies are based more around fluff than actual effectiveness, and so they'll more often than not yet the shaft if you would try to play against tournament goers, no matter how good you are.

In addition, any Forgeworld rules printed in an Imperial Armour book are official and should not be prohibited barring some tournament instances. And you know what? I've used Forgeworld units using Forgeworld stats at an official GW tournament. Not one person said a word about it, barring "oh look at that cool model."

If you're too stuck up and full of your own pretenious s**t to play against models that aren't even designed to be effective in the game, then you're not even the sort that anyone would want to play against anyway. Rule-mongering and playing for nothing but to win makes for bad sport and reflects upon your very being. Chances are that you're a self important p***k who likes to try and console yourself, telling yourself that you're better than others because you fear to grip the fact that you're just another insignifigant a*****e, at the whims of everything else around you.

Lighten up, enjoy life, and pull whatever it is that you shoved up your a** and died out.

Oh shut it already you smug git, the list is legal and Warwick is known for overpricing FW models and kit gamewise to be on the safe side. Not convincing enough? I played several games at my local GW store in Amsterdam and they were cool with it, even my opponents. No, not convinced I guess. Another one for the "I don't play FW people" camp.

But hey, there are the doctrines and the general idea behind D-99:

- Drop Troops
- Special Weapon Squads
- Iron Discipline
- Xeno-Fighters: Tyranids
- Surgical Enhancements (+1 I and they never suffer any negative modifiers to Ld checks, if they fail a Morale check for 25% casualties they become pinned instead of falling back)

The entire army is made up of veterans and veteran squads, NOT infantry platoons and tanks. Instead the list relies on Elysian-only drop Sentinels, Cyclops RDV's and Vultures paired with hard hitting squads of veterans.

Army-list break down.

HQ.
Veteran Command HQ - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike, no attached support squads

Elites.
Veteran Sniper teams - can infiltrate or deep strike
Special Weapon squads - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike

Troops.
Hardened Veterans squad - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike

Fast Attack.
Drop Sentinel squadron - can either have a multi-melta or heavy bolter - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike
Cyclops RDV - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike

Heavy Support.
Vulture gunship
Tarantula gun battery - can take Valkyrie transport or deep strike

Biggest pros of the army are: BS4, high mobility and every unit save for the snipers can deep strike. The veteran squads can pack quite a punch with two assault weapons, a demo charge and heavy weapon each and the veteran snipers are BS4, a welcome sight with the new sniper rules.

Cons are: low number of troops, they are mere Imperial Guard veterans and they are reliant on their Valkyries and Vultures for most heavy support.

To answer your question of toning down: Impossible. The army list is written with the cost of all doctrine upgrades already included.

Please steer clear of Imperial Armour five and six, as the Death Korps and Renegade militia will make you cry even harder.

What I find ironic is that I just said this:



To which I was called a flurry of insults by a certain presumptuous member, that would be you Xenos, and called a smug git by Lt. Brookman. You're also being a tad presumptuous because you said "I don't play people from FW." I just said that some very by the book people might not allow it and both of you are up in arms. I'd play them, I really don't care. I play for fun not to win - all I'd ask is that you give my Daemonhunter's Grey Knight Dreadnought Aegis Armor and Shrouding.

Threatening to kick me out, are you? On a power trip? Well, go ahead then. If everyone's all riled up because I said " It's up to your opponent if Forge World rules and equipment is usable, and I don't think they'd take kindly to a bunch of super-powered guardsman dropping down from the sky" then I'd prefer not to be with a bunch of children.

As for the Forge World part, I don't have the Imperial Armor books and I don't know the point cost or unit values or even what they can or cannot do so I can't argue with that army list.

Jesus. And you two call me immature.

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Deleted a post?

Now you see, it bothers me that you're saying that I think I'm better than everyone else - because I don't. I don't think I know everything. You're assuming things and labeling me and that seems un-Crew-like if you ask me. In fact, this whole thing is really silly. You have an ego - as do I - and are trying to out-forum-maneuver me. Otherwise you would have private messaged me or instant messaged me like a responsible person would.

Brookman said "Another one for the "I don't play FW people" camp". I'm not entirely sure what he meant by that, but I believe he was saying I belong in that said camp.

Now, being the stuck up, full of pretentious s**t, rule-mongering, bad sport, self-important p***k who tries to console myself telling myself that I'm better than others, elitist, insignificant a*****e with a stick up my a**, cry baby, smug git, repugnant and pretentious, disrespectful, brat-like, and vengeful person that I am I'd like to remind you as a crew that this thread is for posting about Imperial Guard and not for personally vendettas. I'll gladly argue with you over AIM or PM - but keep this thread free from this immature pissing contest.