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 Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:46 pm
Quintafeira12 >15$ No. crying Find some other downside to it. Okay. rofl 10 minute cooldown. xp $8 o3o
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:55 am
So I remmebered some old issue there was on some zOMG! discussion threads and I went to check how things were up with it. Back when Monster galaxy was released, it got 15 million different players trying it out. This was such a blow to zOMG! because... that was around the time the first buddies were released. You know, when the devs were fighting to keep their jobs? There'd be that group claiming that the success gaia was having elsewhere should be enough to keep the zOMG! devs around (which is actually pretty dumb. I'd still like the buddies either ways. No need to be dead meat just because someone made bad calls with Null Frags) But everytime the success of Monster Galaxy was brought up, it'd be disregarded because the number, 15 million, was very falacious, as it only counted the number of people who "tried the game out" in the first month rather than the number of active players. That was a pretty bullshit argument, as 15 million is immensely large number regardless, but I digress. I gave them the benefit of doubt, and that Monster Galaxy could still not get in the way of zOMG! Not anymore now. The thing is updated, and it marks 9,461,639 monthly active users. If you're out of the loop, that's as many players as World of Warcraft right now! and these figures aren't just "burst spread anymore". Gaia hit a gold mine. And zOMG! is indeed affected. I hate having to agree with the "haters", but zOMG! hasn't been updated in forever, barring the gold nerf, and there's no word on why that is so other than rumors that invariably point at the devs working on something else and behind the scenes messaging. They are even a week late on promised updates, again, without it being some late minute issues - changing SS. The one thing happening is JK occasionally showing some nice pictures or doing a meet without much info being disclosed - and we don't even have Mavdoc joining in on the "I'm bored, let's entertain the community" parade. The way I see it, we went back a step to the point before the whole "save zOMG!" movement started. We're crossing one of those "nothing to do, nothing happening phases" Psh, I'm even getting hyped over these. roof that nothing else is distracting me when I go back to series I haven't in ages. Tl,dr: When is that damn peelunger hat being released again?
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:11 am
Heh, if Gaia would just give zOMG an actual chance, rather than trying to make the death longer and hoping that we'll eventually get bored of it that we won't care. Their idea of keeping the game alive is unluckily, take out one of our devs anyway when the whole team won't be laid off(maybe just our artists), take our 2 zOMG devs that are the only ones to be able to script and do some other features to it, and just pay attention to it when it's giving out too much gold, and put site integration for it on hold. Yes, Gaia's hitting a gold mine, because they aren't patient enough to dig that maybe even bigger but deeper gold mine, and took our miners who wanted to still mine on that other gold mine they abandoned(at least not fully) If only WoW isn't pay to play then it'd be a whole lot more than that though. o3o I'll just imagine what will happen if Universe of Starcraft would ever be released. *eyes burn from the awesomeness* o.o A lot of games are distracting me from zOMG right now. @_@ tl;dr There was a peelunger hat? gonk
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:54 pm
Quintafeira12 The way I see it, we went back a step to the point before the whole "save zOMG!" movement started. We're crossing one of those "nothing to do, nothing happening phases"
According to the last dev meet, [ JK ] is under the impression that Site Integration is on hold, for the moment. Sounds to me like they threw us a bone to shut us up for bit, but they're not ready to give us anything real. Additionally, [ JK ] made mention that Integration doesn't really involve the zOMG! devs - it's the site devs handling that. Pardon? Define "integrated", again? stressed
So, yes, it's time to get back to making noise. I don't know if Gaia just really isn't taking this seriously, or if they're just so blindly pre-occupied by their other plans that they really can't hear us. Either way, only one thing to do - get loud... mad
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:17 pm
Red Kutai Quintafeira12 The way I see it, we went back a step to the point before the whole "save zOMG!" movement started. We're crossing one of those "nothing to do, nothing happening phases"
According to the last dev meet, [ JK ] is under the impression that Site Integration is on hold, for the moment. Sounds to me like they threw us a bone to shut us up for bit, but they're not ready to give us anything real. Additionally, [ JK ] made mention that Integration doesn't really involve the zOMG! devs - it's the site devs handling that. Pardon? Define "integrated", again? stressed
So, yes, it's time to get back to making noise. I don't know if Gaia just really isn't taking this seriously, or if they're just so blindly pre-occupied by their other plans that they really can't hear us. Either way, only one thing to do - get loud... mad
Should I start singing that song with the lyrics lets get loud? Hmm . . . what are your suggestions at this though? I'm not good at getting loud. EDIT: Neither would I use a mule to bad-mouth muumuupie on his profile as well
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:22 pm
Not that Mr. Sego really checks on Muumuupie.
Regarding MG, how many users does Facebook have? How does that compare to the ratio of Gaians/zOMGaians?
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:25 pm
Reglare Excile EDIT: Neither would I use a mule to bad-mouth muumuupie on his profile as well
Nothing like that. sweatdrop
First and foremost, I'm going to transplant the Site Integration thread into z!F - remind the community that something's supposed to be going on. Give it a week or so, I'm going to move it into Site Feedback - to show them we haven't forgotten about it. If I have to, I'll PM Panagrammic myself, to make sure we get someone's attention. It'd be nice to have faith that they would get things done without us reminding them, but their track record is pretty poor, in that regard. We'll just have to keep prodding them until they get the hint, I suppose...
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:26 pm
Red Kutai Reglare Excile EDIT: Neither would I use a mule to bad-mouth muumuupie on his profile as well
Nothing like that. sweatdrop
First and foremost, I'm going to transplant the Site Integration thread into z!F - remind the community that something's supposed to be going on. Give it a week or so, I'm going to move it into Site Feedback - to show them we haven't forgotten about it. If I have to, I'll PM Panagrammic myself, to make sure we get someone's attention. It'd be nice to have faith that they would get things done without us reminding them, but their track record is pretty poor, in that regard. We'll just have to keep prodding them until they get the hint, I suppose...
Very well, we should do the waiting game for now. If they still won't pay much attention to this then. . . We'll have to do something evil to get their attention. >D
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Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:16 pm
Lighter note: purely out of curiosity, I decided to do a little research into the origin of "sEB" - mostly, I was looking into when it started. I know the changes to EB that made sEB profitable happened last summer, but I was curious how long it took for zOMGaians to adapt.
The first post that refers to sEB by name.*
Now, that's curious - the first mention of sEB is also the first mention of the sEB Set. Obviously these both originator somewhere outside the Forums, but I can only guess as to precisely where. sweatdrop
*That is, the earliest post that mentions it by name (contains the text "sEB"), that I can say with some confidence was not edited to include it after-the-fact. Actually, on that note, this thread is very interesting - they're obviously talking about sEB, and they even use the term "sEB"; but in reference to "Straight EB". And it preceeded the other post by over two months. While I doubt that that thread is the true origin of sEB, or even the term "sEB", there is definitive evidence that that is the ur-example for it... 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:14 am
I'm down with attributing Foxxe with the merit of accidentally inventing the term. That post is both the first reference and shows him coming up with it on the spot. If there's another predating reference on a guild, while the merit went to that one instead, it has likely nothing to do with Foxxe's. There ought to be more examples like it where different people came up with the same name.
Not that I'd go out of my way just to say who came up with anything. Just in case someone asks, I have a name.
Besides, the origin of sEB is still most likely the sEB set tutorial, as the terms's spread is coincident with the set's growing popularity. While people DID do sEB in concept, where they would call it simply "EB", I don't remember anyone ever "doing sEB" without also "wearing the sEB set". The tutorial didn't come up with the term, but managed to set its usage in stone.
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Atrash the Squidmonger Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:28 pm
Red Kutai
Lighter note: purely out of curiosity, I decided to do a little research into the origin of "sEB" - mostly, I was looking into when it started. I know the changes to EB that made sEB profitable happened last summer, but I was curious how long it took for zOMGaians to adapt.
The first post that refers to sEB by name.*
Now, that's curious - the first mention of sEB is also the first mention of the sEB Set. Obviously these both originator somewhere outside the Forums, but I can only guess as to precisely where. sweatdrop
*That is, the earliest post that mentions it by name (contains the text "sEB"), that I can say with some confidence was not edited to include it after-the-fact. Actually, on that note, this thread is very interesting - they're obviously talking about sEB, and they even use the term "sEB"; but in reference to "Straight EB". And it preceeded the other post by over two months. While I doubt that that thread is the true origin of sEB, or even the term "sEB", there is definitive evidence that that is the ur-example for it... 3nodding
It would seem that sEB and the sEB set were established before the first post you noted. Did you look for the term Speed EB (or Speed End Boss) set (or even Speed SS and such - might just be misnamed a bit) in threads before that? It definitely sounds like the idea of a set for sEB or Speed SS was commonly known of before that reference - either in the z!F or the chatterbox or in some more open and major guilds. Not famous like it is now, but common enough. Then people just abbreviate and expect people to understand abbreviations they make up (or maybe they first used it in a couple crews or a guild) on the fly all the time. The other post supports this, since Speed (probably SS) was known at that time, and that would develop into the set eventually. Hmm...
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:10 pm
Atrash the Squidmonger Red Kutai
Lighter note: purely out of curiosity, I decided to do a little research into the origin of "sEB" - mostly, I was looking into when it started. I know the changes to EB that made sEB profitable happened last summer, but I was curious how long it took for zOMGaians to adapt.
The first post that refers to sEB by name.*
Now, that's curious - the first mention of sEB is also the first mention of the sEB Set. Obviously these both originator somewhere outside the Forums, but I can only guess as to precisely where. sweatdrop
*That is, the earliest post that mentions it by name (contains the text "sEB"), that I can say with some confidence was not edited to include it after-the-fact. Actually, on that note, this thread is very interesting - they're obviously talking about sEB, and they even use the term "sEB"; but in reference to "Straight EB". And it preceeded the other post by over two months. While I doubt that that thread is the true origin of sEB, or even the term "sEB", there is definitive evidence that that is the ur-example for it... 3nodding
It would seem that sEB and the sEB set were established before the first post you noted. Did you look for the term Speed EB (or Speed End Boss) set (or even Speed SS and such - might just be misnamed a bit) in threads before that? It definitely sounds like the idea of a set for sEB or Speed SS was commonly known of before that reference - either in the z!F or the chatterbox or in some more open and major guilds. Not famous like it is now, but common enough. Then people just abbreviate and expect people to understand abbreviations they make up (or maybe they first used it in a couple crews or a guild) on the fly all the time. The other post supports this, since Speed (probably SS) was known at that time, and that would develop into the set eventually. Hmm...
Precisely my point - the term "sEB" was even used in its modern form (lower-case 's', capital 'EB'), which seriously implies that it was well-established in whatever community it originated from, even then. What interested me so much was that it had actually reached some modicum of commonality in-game before it had ever even been mentioned in the Forums. Being that the game is so closely linked to the Forums, it just struck me as odd. sweatdrop
Which implies that whatever community was pushing the sEB phenomenon simply didn't communicate over the Forums - be it a Guild, a Clan, or really just in-game associates. SS Speed had existed for some time, already, but I was interested namely in the use of the term (SS Speed was never called "sSS", and I was curious where the lower-case convention came from), and in the proliferation of the 'set', which SS Speed never really had.
I was primarily just looking into how information disseminates in the zOMG! Community, and the research provided some intriguing answers. I may go back to ferret out any mentions of "Speed EB", if I get the time - something tells me there would be at least a mention of it, before that date. I suppose we'll see, eh? sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:42 pm
Red Kutai Atrash the Squidmonger Red Kutai
Lighter note: purely out of curiosity, I decided to do a little research into the origin of "sEB" - mostly, I was looking into when it started. I know the changes to EB that made sEB profitable happened last summer, but I was curious how long it took for zOMGaians to adapt.
The first post that refers to sEB by name.*
Now, that's curious - the first mention of sEB is also the first mention of the sEB Set. Obviously these both originator somewhere outside the Forums, but I can only guess as to precisely where. sweatdrop
*That is, the earliest post that mentions it by name (contains the text "sEB"), that I can say with some confidence was not edited to include it after-the-fact. Actually, on that note, this thread is very interesting - they're obviously talking about sEB, and they even use the term "sEB"; but in reference to "Straight EB". And it preceeded the other post by over two months. While I doubt that that thread is the true origin of sEB, or even the term "sEB", there is definitive evidence that that is the ur-example for it... 3nodding
It would seem that sEB and the sEB set were established before the first post you noted. Did you look for the term Speed EB (or Speed End Boss) set (or even Speed SS and such - might just be misnamed a bit) in threads before that? It definitely sounds like the idea of a set for sEB or Speed SS was commonly known of before that reference - either in the z!F or the chatterbox or in some more open and major guilds. Not famous like it is now, but common enough. Then people just abbreviate and expect people to understand abbreviations they make up (or maybe they first used it in a couple crews or a guild) on the fly all the time. The other post supports this, since Speed (probably SS) was known at that time, and that would develop into the set eventually. Hmm...
Precisely my point - the term "sEB" was even used in its modern form (lower-case 's', capital 'EB'), which seriously implies that it was well-established in whatever community it originated from, even then. What interested me so much was that it had actually reached some modicum of commonality in-game before it had ever even been mentioned in the Forums. Being that the game is so closely linked to the Forums, it just struck me as odd. sweatdrop
Which implies that whatever community was pushing the sEB phenomenon simply didn't communicate over the Forums - be it a Guild, a Clan, or really just in-game associates. SS Speed had existed for some time, already, but I was interested namely in the use of the term (SS Speed was never called "sSS", and I was curious where the lower-case convention came from), and in the proliferation of the 'set', which SS Speed never really had.
I was primarily just looking into how information disseminates in the zOMG! Community, and the research provided some intriguing answers. I may go back to ferret out any mentions of "Speed EB", if I get the time - something tells me there would be at least a mention of it, before that date. I suppose we'll see, eh? sweatdrop
Actually, I'd say neither clan or guild started it on a large scale. It definitely started with a group of people who did it consistently enough, but the spread has to have been a game thing, not a forum thing. Information disseminates the fastest in-game, not in BBS, for nearly every MMO ever. This is a known fact. There was almost not even a single reference nearly anywhere on TTF on PSO's forum, yet, the schack servers had opened just a few months before and everyone knew about it from seemingly the moment they set foot inside of it. TTF or "torwards the future", was a quest where you grind hoards and hoards of monsters from all areas, plus bosses. Just that, 20 minutes of hell and pure drops and exp everywhere. Powerleveling at its prime. This interested everyone, and there was no way anyone would simply NOT see it. Several Rooms were called "TTF - HARD" or whatever. People who would do it, would figure out it was a easy way to leveling, special with a CAst in the team spamming AoE spells, and would spread it more and more and more by making new rooms about it themselves. The reason why you wouldn't see it at all on a forum was because PSO had this. No need for "recruitment threads" or whatever. You wanted to do something, you just opened a room and waited, and you had greater chances of getting results than by spamming shout. The forum was more about general talk, trading and talking about rare weapons (arguably, the point of the game on higher levels) In fact, the forum was pretty much a dead space compared to the lively and fierce community seen in-game, I never stuck around that place. In fact, google searches show up random bits on TTF around the web, and most are NOT about the abusive practice, but about quest rankings, rewards, controlling the first boss (an easter egg), likelyhood of rare spawns on TTF compared to other quests and such stuff like it Right now, the practice is probably still alive, as PSO:BB doesn't get any updates. And it has spread trough direct player interaction since a time forgotten, when 4 high leveled players on their Dreamcasts first tried it out, unknowing of the hour of brutal wave spam waiting for them. Compare it to sEB. Is there even the slightest chance that a new player to zOMG! could get past Gold Beach without hearing it once? Without getting curious and then kicked out for being underleveled? Without getting the impression that it was something special? Also, some abbreviations types are just common gaming culture. sSS just sounds... plain stupid, maybe that's why it never stuck? It would have been believable that we'd be saying BR or BL nowawadays, but also, for some obscure reason some areas avoided the treatment. Maybe it has to do with how the words sound. Aqueduct is too annoying to write or say, while OA isn't. BR or ZG feels unnecessary when "bill's" or "zen" feels already lazy enough or maybe the letter's just don't. I tested this every time I entered a new game. I saw an object, a value, whatever, and abbreviated it to what felt "right". 75% of times, I hit the right choice. No one is going to blink in amazement if I say "job" instead of profession and it'd take a moron to not know I'm talking about "Learning Points" or "Food Event Bonus" when I say LP and FEP; two of Haven and Hearth's main focus values. Even when it's not exactly obvious, I'm not going to come up with it. Someone else will tell me about it! Like some people spamming "PYRA" on a shooter I played once, it'd take just a bit of observation and following the players communicating to get they were referring to a pyramid-like structure. And I started referring to it as Pyra as well, because it'd be easier to just talk with similar terms.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:26 pm
Quintafeira12 Actually, I'd say neither clan or guild started it on a large scale. It definitely started with a group of people who did it consistently enough, but the spread has to have been a game thing, not a forum thing. Information disseminates the fastest in-game, not in BBS, for nearly every MMO ever. This is a known fact. There was almost not even a single reference nearly anywhere on TTF on PSO's forum, yet, the schack servers had opened just a few months before and everyone knew about it from seemingly the moment they set foot inside of it. TTF or "torwards the future", was a quest where you grind hoards and hoards of monsters from all areas, plus bosses. Just that, 20 minutes of hell and pure drops and exp everywhere. Powerleveling at its prime. This interested everyone, and there was no way anyone would simply NOT see it. Several Rooms were called "TTF - HARD" or whatever. People who would do it, would figure out it was a easy way to leveling, special with a CAst in the team spamming AoE spells, and would spread it more and more and more by making new rooms about it themselves. The reason why you wouldn't see it at all on a forum was because PSO had this. No need for "recruitment threads" or whatever. You wanted to do something, you just opened a room and waited, and you had greater chances of getting results than by spamming shout. The forum was more about general talk, trading and talking about rare weapons (arguably, the point of the game on higher levels) In fact, the forum was pretty much a dead space compared to the lively and fierce community seen in-game, I never stuck around that place. In fact, google searches show up random bits on TTF around the web, and most are NOT about the abusive practice, but about quest rankings, rewards, controlling the first boss (an easter egg), likelyhood of rare spawns on TTF compared to other quests and such stuff like it Right now, the practice is probably still alive, as PSO:BB doesn't get any updates. And it has spread trough direct player interaction since a time forgotten, when 4 high leveled players on their Dreamcasts first tried it out, unknowing of the hour of brutal wave spam waiting for them. Compare it to sEB. Is there even the slightest chance that a new player to zOMG! could get past Gold Beach without hearing it once? Without getting curious and then kicked out for being underleveled? Without getting the impression that it was something special? Also, some abbreviations types are just common gaming culture. sSS just sounds... plain stupid, maybe that's why it never stuck? It would have been believable that we'd be saying BR or BL nowawadays, but also, for some obscure reason some areas avoided the treatment. Maybe it has to do with how the words sound. Aqueduct is too annoying to write or say, while OA isn't. BR or ZG feels unnecessary when "bill's" or "zen" feels already lazy enough or maybe the letter's just don't. I tested this every time I entered a new game. I saw an object, a value, whatever, and abbreviated it to what felt "right". 75% of times, I hit the right choice. No one is going to blink in amazement if I say "job" instead of profession and it'd take a moron to not know I'm talking about "Learning Points" or "Food Event Bonus" when I say LP and FEP; two of Haven and Hearth's main focus values. Even when it's not exactly obvious, I'm not going to come up with it. Someone else will tell me about it! Like some people spamming "PYRA" on a shooter I played once, it'd take just a bit of observation and following the players communicating to get they were referring to a pyramid-like structure. And I started referring to it as Pyra as well, because it'd be easier to just talk with similar terms.
Generally speaking, yes - but you have to recall that zOMG! is a mouldbreaker. zOMG! is not an MMO that happens to have a Forum Community; it's the world's largest Forum Community, that happens to have an MMO. Whole different paradigm.
And that's generally represented in how information travels in zOMG! - for an example, look at the Forums right now. Many sEBers are finding out right now that sEB is going to be altered, which has been common knowledge in the Forums for quite some time. I mean, go into the game and ask any given player about the developers' resources drought, about what content is in-the-works, or various other 'common knowledge' for forumgoers - and I think your response would be surprisingly low. As well as gameplay information disseminates in-game, community information generally doesn't.
And I guess that's why the 'sEB' change was so interesting - it's the only 'gameplay information' that's been introduced to the game in... Well, in quite a while. The stark contrast in how it evolved, compared to our accustomed abundance of 'community information', was probably what caught my eye most...
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 5:41 pm
Red Kutai
Generally speaking, yes - but you have to recall that zOMG! is a mouldbreaker. zOMG! is not an MMO that happens to have a Forum Community; it's the world's largest Forum Community, that happens to have an MMO. Whole different paradigm.
And that's generally represented in how information travels in zOMG! - for an example, look at the Forums right now. Many sEBers are finding out right now that sEB is going to be altered, which has been common knowledge in the Forums for quite some time. I mean, go into the game and ask any given player about the developers' resources drought, about what content is in-the-works, or various other 'common knowledge' for forumgoers - and I think your response would be surprisingly low. As well as gameplay information disseminates in-game, community information generally doesn't.
And I guess that's why the 'sEB' change was so interesting - it's the only 'gameplay information' that's been introduced to the game in... Well, in quite a while. The stark contrast in how it evolved, compared to our accustomed abundance of 'community information', was probably what caught my eye most...
From that perspective, I believe that what we have is, ultimately, a different yet sad alternative. It's quite simple. The in-game community and z!F community are two different things. It wouldn't surprise me that this was confirmed. Hey, I had that notion since long ago. Clans and guilds seem to be filled with people I have never seen anywhere else, including other guilds. There's some outliers of course, but most stick to their place, I guess. The one place everyone has in common ends up being dev meats, and that would be just among those who do go there. Dev meets aren't exactly new and novelty nowadays, so I bet several don't bother. It's actually simple to check how true that is, but I guess it falls in the "what for?" territory. You'd just need to do the same questionnaire regarding being informed of a big change, with different vote counts on different places. And then compare. "What were your feelings regarding the gold cap on zOMG! when you first head about it?" "1) I didn't noticed the gold was capped. 2) etc..."
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