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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:45 pm
The Lolwut Pear But FE5 doesn't have a mounted red/green pair (that join right off the bat) and Othlin and Havan (Othlin being green for his lower growths, but better skills and Havan being red for his raw strength) are essentially the red/green of the game. However, I know they aren't red/green, so we'll just Mel decide on this. I'll change it back to my original if she agrees. Example of how archetypes work (again, in my opinion, Mel's words are final): Think of the Jeigan, usually a Pally with a Silver Spear. However, there has been some alterations throughout the series (Evayle in all ways, Titania by being a woman and a mounted AXE user without silver weapons, Dagda [could be interpretted as well simply due to availability], etc) The Jeigan archetype isn't class specific the way the red/green pairing is. And the red/green cavalier archetype need not be one that joins at the beginning of the game. They simply need to be associable with one another. And one focuses on power while another on speed. One is also more serious than the other. And they're both cavaliers. We have one and only one from each FE game: FE1/3/11: Kain/Abel FE4: Alec/Noish FE5: Alva/Kein FE6: Alan/Lance FE7: Kent/Sain FE8: Kyle/Forde FE9/10: Oscar/Kieran And Titania is much closer to an Oifaye than a Jeigan.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:50 pm
Yeah FD's right. I do mean the red/green cavs you get in every game.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:51 pm
Manic Martini The Lolwut Pear But FE5 doesn't have a mounted red/green pair (that join right off the bat) and Othlin and Havan (Othlin being green for his lower growths, but better skills and Havan being red for his raw strength) are essentially the red/green of the game. However, I know they aren't red/green, so we'll just Mel decide on this. I'll change it back to my original if she agrees. Example of how archetypes work (again, in my opinion, Mel's words are final): Think of the Jeigan, usually a Pally with a Silver Spear. However, there has been some alterations throughout the series (Evayle in all ways, Titania by being a woman and a mounted AXE user without silver weapons, Dagda [could be interpretted as well simply due to availability], etc) The Jeigan archetype isn't class specific the way the red/green pairing is. And the red/green cavalier archetype need not be one that joins at the beginning of the game. They simply need to be associable with one another. And one focuses on power while another on speed. One is also more serious than the other. And they're both cavaliers. We have one and only one from each FE game: FE1/3/11: Kain/Abel FE4: Alec/Noish FE5: Alva/Kein FE6: Alan/Lance FE7: Kent/Sain FE8: Kyle/Forde FE9/10: Oscar/Kieran I guess if you put it that way, only now I'm starting to think of availibility, do they not also have to be available in the first few chapters as well (making my vote on Alva and Kein void)? Also, They simply need to be associable with one another.- Othlin and Havan are best friends. And one focuses on power while another on speed. Othlin is speed reliant and Havan is strength reliant. One is also more serious than the other.- Havan is known (as in the Marty re-recruitment scene) to be the calm, serious, nice guy and Othlin is the polar opposite and from his ending, he even perpetuates the green Social in a way. And they're both cavaliers.- Apart from this part, they fit the green/red perfectly. EDIT: However, Mel's words are final and Social pairs it is then.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:05 pm
Queen Melethia Dagon Yeah FD's right. I do mean the red/green cavs you get in every game. I pointed that out first... Quote: I thought it was just like Alan and Lance or Sain and Kent horseback pairs...
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:08 pm
Yeah sorry about any confusion Maji. FE9 and even more so FE10 you Oscar and Kieran aren't both on the same map at the beginning. FE9 if I recall right you don't get Kieran until chapter...I want to say in the 11-13 range which is almost halfway through the game since the game is about 28 chapter long. In FE10 it's even longer. Kieran comes in Part 2-2 and Oscar in Part 3-P and the aren't even able to be on the same side until Part 4. So the red/green pair doesn't always come early in the game.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:09 pm
xDemonhornzx Queen Melethia Dagon Yeah FD's right. I do mean the red/green cavs you get in every game. I pointed that out first...
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:14 pm
The Lolwut Pear Manic Martini The Lolwut Pear But FE5 doesn't have a mounted red/green pair (that join right off the bat) and Othlin and Havan (Othlin being green for his lower growths, but better skills and Havan being red for his raw strength) are essentially the red/green of the game. However, I know they aren't red/green, so we'll just Mel decide on this. I'll change it back to my original if she agrees. Example of how archetypes work (again, in my opinion, Mel's words are final): Think of the Jeigan, usually a Pally with a Silver Spear. However, there has been some alterations throughout the series (Evayle in all ways, Titania by being a woman and a mounted AXE user without silver weapons, Dagda [could be interpretted as well simply due to availability], etc) The Jeigan archetype isn't class specific the way the red/green pairing is. And the red/green cavalier archetype need not be one that joins at the beginning of the game. They simply need to be associable with one another. And one focuses on power while another on speed. One is also more serious than the other. And they're both cavaliers. We have one and only one from each FE game: FE1/3/11: Kain/Abel FE4: Alec/Noish FE5: Alva/Kein FE6: Alan/Lance FE7: Kent/Sain FE8: Kyle/Forde FE9/10: Oscar/Kieran I guess if you put it that way, only now I'm starting to think of availibility, do they not also have to be available in the first few chapters as well (making my vote on Alva and Kein void)? Also, They simply need to be associable with one another.- Othlin and Havan are best friends. And one focuses on power while another on speed. Othlin is speed reliant and Havan is strength reliant. One is also more serious than the other.- Havan is known (as in the Marty re-recruitment scene) to be the calm, serious, nice guy and Othlin is the polar opposite and from his ending, he even perpetuates the green Social in a way. And they're both cavaliers.- Apart from this part, they fit the green/red perfectly. EDIT: However, Mel's words are final and Social pairs it is then. Apologies. I should have been more specific when I said they need to be associable with one another. By that, I mean they don't necessarily need to join simultaneously (Oscar and Keiran fit this description, for example) so long as they have a history of some sort. Kein/Alva, although hardly as important as Othin/Halvan to the game, are FE5's red/green cavalier pairing. Apart from the color coding, I'd argue the most important characteristic to the duo is the fact that they're both Socials/Cavaliers. Kieran doesn't necessarily join early, but he's the red component to Tellius's Red/Green cavalier duo, so Alva/Kein count. And it is interesting how Othin/Halvan have quite a lot in common with the red/green pairings, although they don't quite fit the bill for the archetype.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 9:27 pm
Best: Oscar/Kieran (FE9/10)
I like thinking that there's more to a unit than just its stats and availability. Most of the time, your Red/Green cavs are similar personality-wise. The few exceptions to this rule (at least in NA releases) are Kent/Sain and Oscar/Kieran, but since most of the Oscar/Kieran comedy comes from within the pair themselves, it gets a bit more hilarious. Compound this with Oscar's amazing overall abilities in either game and the new promotion tree in FE10 separating their skill and weapon sets, together they become a great combination.
Worst: Kyle/Forde (FE cool
Kyle's stern and no-nonsense. Forde is easygoing and goofy. Archetype, stereotype, it's been done before. While they're decent in their own rights, their backstories are forgettable, at best. I think Forde paints or something, and I have no idea what Kyle does in his spare time. And unlike Oscar and Kieran, who have a decent effect on the plot in several chapters, these two matter for keeping Ephraim alive in their first chapter and carrying all your treasure, and then become relegated to only coming in-game if you need more units, in lieu of better units such as Franz.
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Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 11:42 pm
Queen Melethia Dagon ...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit. Just thought I'd throw out some criteria Mel mentioned earlier in the thread. Also: the red/green cavalier characters NEVER have similar personalities. There aren't any exceptions. One is serious while the other is much more light-hearted. Although which color gets which personality is not set in stone (Kent is a Serious Red, but Kyle is a Serious Green, and Kieran is a Spontaneous Red while Alec is a Spontaneous Green, to give an example of each).
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 4:19 pm
Manic Martini Queen Melethia Dagon ...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit. Just thought I'd throw out some criteria Mel mentioned earlier in the thread. Also: the red/green cavalier characters NEVER have similar personalities. There aren't any exceptions. One is serious while the other is much more light-hearted. Although which color gets which personality is not set in stone (Kent is a Serious Red, but Kyle is a Serious Green, and Kieran is a Spontaneous Red while Alec is a Spontaneous Green, to give an example of each). Yes, but the poll is for who I think is the best. Personality can fit into the equation if I believe it does. Even though it might say AS A UNIT, there's still attachment, eh? And what about Alan/Lance and Cain/Abel? You can't tell me their personalities aren't similar. Mind you, I made a point of saying I've only played NA releases (with the exception of FE6). I agree that Alan and Lance separate slightly into the Spontaneous and Serious types, but very, very mildly, while Oscar and Kieran take it to the extreme. Wait...why am I even arguing about this? There's absolutely no point.
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Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2011 7:48 pm
Electric Spark Manic Martini Queen Melethia Dagon ...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit. Just thought I'd throw out some criteria Mel mentioned earlier in the thread. Also: the red/green cavalier characters NEVER have similar personalities. There aren't any exceptions. One is serious while the other is much more light-hearted. Although which color gets which personality is not set in stone (Kent is a Serious Red, but Kyle is a Serious Green, and Kieran is a Spontaneous Red while Alec is a Spontaneous Green, to give an example of each). Yes, but the poll is for who I think is the best. Personality can fit into the equation if I believe it does. Even though it might say AS A UNIT, there's still attachment, eh? And what about Alan/Lance and Cain/Abel? You can't tell me their personalities aren't similar. Mind you, I made a point of saying I've only played NA releases (with the exception of FE6). I agree that Alan and Lance separate slightly into the Spontaneous and Serious types, but very, very mildly, while Oscar and Kieran take it to the extreme. Wait...why am I even arguing about this? There's absolutely no point.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:16 am
Best: Um... Cain and Abel. I guess. They're good together, Cain with a lance and Abel with a sword.
Worst: I have NO clue. I want to say Oscar and Kieran even though Kieran is the only one who is bad. Then you have Kyle and Forde who is useless to me. They're only useful for chapter five. So, I am going to go with Kyle/Forde.
Wait! Doese Titania and Oscar count?! I mean Titania is red! biggrin
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:04 am
...Titania is your "jeigan" type. (who thankfully isn't very "jeigan")
Your redxgreen knights in FE 9 and 10 are Oscar and Kieran.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:23 pm
Queen Melethia Dagon Electric Spark Manic Martini Queen Melethia Dagon ...Except this isn't on personality. The poll is for who you think is the best/worst lord character as a unit. Just thought I'd throw out some criteria Mel mentioned earlier in the thread. Also: the red/green cavalier characters NEVER have similar personalities. There aren't any exceptions. One is serious while the other is much more light-hearted. Although which color gets which personality is not set in stone (Kent is a Serious Red, but Kyle is a Serious Green, and Kieran is a Spontaneous Red while Alec is a Spontaneous Green, to give an example of each). Yes, but the poll is for who I think is the best. Personality can fit into the equation if I believe it does. Even though it might say AS A UNIT, there's still attachment, eh? And what about Alan/Lance and Cain/Abel? You can't tell me their personalities aren't similar. Mind you, I made a point of saying I've only played NA releases (with the exception of FE6). I agree that Alan and Lance separate slightly into the Spontaneous and Serious types, but very, very mildly, while Oscar and Kieran take it to the extreme. Wait...why am I even arguing about this? There's absolutely no point. Given Mel's comment, I'll concede my first point for this week's topic. Were that not the case, putting personality into the equation when the criteria is explicitly not about personality (as is typically the case) would be like voting for someone into office because their family is nice, rather than because they're a good candidate. One's value as a unit in-game has nothing to do with their personality. Leaf is my favorite Lord and I'm very attached to him, but he's definitely not the best in the series. But yes, Cain/Abel and Alan/Lance have different personalities. Lance is the more serious, collected of the two, Alan being more reckless, and Cain is much more attached to his country, and militantly loyal when compared to Abel. Cain and Abel are arguably the hardest to determine of any red/green pairing, but there's still plenty of evidence that shows their differences. It's mostly evidence from FE3 though.
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:39 pm
Rath - Oh alright, you do have a point. Kieran makes things worst. But Oscar is to good to be the worst. So I am leaving my vote as is.
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