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 Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 6:19 pm
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Semiremis Lumanny the Space Jew Chieftain Twilight everything is choice. one can manually change whether or not they ar einterested in the same gender, th eopposite, both, neither or whatever. though i still do not think that it should be considered a "correction" no matter what. it is perfetly natural, and neither sinful nor wrong. it ismply is what it is, and that be sexuality. Alright, now go and decide to be gay. Don't worry, if it works you can always decie yourself back. And while you're at it, if you could decide that I'm immortal and the handsomest man alive, that would be a big help. Belief makes reality, or so some have claimed. I wouldn't be so quick to overlook the 'power of the mind', as it were. If we (human beings) can be drawn into some crazy cult where the leader tells everyone that they have to have sex with him in order to make it into heaven, then I'm pretty sure that we would be able to brainwash ourselves (especially with the help of others) into changing our own sexuality at least to some extent. If homosexuality were a choice, then we would make the choice at an early age. However homosexuality usually "come out" when we hit puberty and experience hormones and the like. It's usually after puberty when people realize who they actually like, and who they are attracted to. We don't chose who we're attracted to. We don't choose the attraction. It just happens. It's something that we can't explain. I agree. I'm not questioning that. What I was discussing deals with the power of the mind to control and influence ourselves in some sort of extraordinary way (in this case, to alter ones sexuality). I used the cult example alongside of this to show how people can be brainwashed, they can alter their own perceptions in a very significant way. @alteregoivy, I'm not talking about closing your eyes and bearing it for religion, I'm talking about some form of deep meditation to bring about change, mind over matter. There's a famous picture of a Buddhist Monk who lit himself on fire in protest and he just sat there impassively. The basic natural reaction would be to flail around, yell out, try to put it out but the monk transcended that, he didn't move, he didn't cry out. It wasn't one Buddhist monk who did that, but many. It is not his beliefs that kept him calm. However, the saying "mind over matter" applies. lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? I didn't say whether it was or wasn't only one Buddhist monk, I just mentioned a famous case that most here in this group would be familiar with although there are a lot of equally impressive stories of what some of them can do. I didn't say it was his belief that rendered him so impassive I was just trying to illustrate the concept of mind over matter in something recognizable.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:16 am
Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:24 am
Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:33 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:45 am
In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:51 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R. Which is silly.. she's the guild owner of a religion guild and she can't hold her own in the M&R. Semi, why is this?
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:57 am
In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R. Which is silly.. she's the guild owner of a religion guild and she can't hold her own in the M&R. Semi, why is this? I can barely hold my own in M&R and I'm the leader of a religious unity guild and I want to start an intelligent Christian guild type thing...x.x
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:14 am
-Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R. Which is silly.. she's the guild owner of a religion guild and she can't hold her own in the M&R. Semi, why is this? I can barely hold my own in M&R and I'm the leader of a religious unity guild and I want to start an intelligent Christian guild type thing...x.x Is your guild full of M&R regs though?
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:22 am
In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R. Which is silly.. she's the guild owner of a religion guild and she can't hold her own in the M&R. Semi, why is this? I can barely hold my own in M&R and I'm the leader of a religious unity guild and I want to start an intelligent Christian guild type thing...x.x Is your guild full of M&R regs though? Nope. It has only two. x.x Mainly because the others would rip it to shreds..thus why I want to create a new one..but for intelligent Christians. biggrin And other intelligent people minus the fluffers. Just needs a name. And Gold. >.< (I need to sell some of my stuff later.)
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:49 pm
In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden In Medias Res IV -Tsukiyo-Moon Maiden Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. Exactly. That's the point of debates. biggrin LOL! Did Semiremis JUST type that? I want to see her try to hold her own in the M&R. She did. She rarely comes in the M&R. Which is silly.. she's the guild owner of a religion guild and she can't hold her own in the M&R. Semi, why is this? Oh come on guys it was a joke!!!! I'll make it more clear next time. Why is what? I no longer go to the M&R often therefore I can't hold my own there? There can't be any other possibility reason as to why I don't frequent that place? (That was sarcasm, just to make it clear). There's no need for the libel.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 1:24 pm
Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. I wasn't being serious and the point I was trying to make wasn't about debating, it was about those who argue just for the sake of arguing even when the person they are arguing with have taken the same position as them.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:47 pm
Semiremis Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. I wasn't being serious and the point I was trying to make wasn't about debating, it was about those who argue just for the sake of arguing even when the person they are arguing with have taken the same position as them. Playing devil's advocate can be a very effective method of broadening one's understanding of a topic.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:22 pm
Nines19 Semiremis Nines19 Semiremis lol, do you always have to be so argumentative? You DID name this the "Religious Debate" guild. I wasn't being serious and the point I was trying to make wasn't about debating, it was about those who argue just for the sake of arguing even when the person they are arguing with have taken the same position as them. Playing devil's advocate can be a very effective method of broadening one's understanding of a topic. Agreed, when it's actually used. A devil's advocate takes the opposite side of others on an issue, they typically debate a view that they don't actually hold to bring about a greater understanding. That's not applicable in this case. Do you find it useful or beneficial in some way for an individual to be argumentative just for the purpose of being argumentative (without playing the role of devils advocate)? The only comment relevant in the posts that this is about was the last one Tsukiyo made about mind over matter. The only real point I was trying to get across was basically about the power of the mind and how it can influence our physical reality. I may not be explaining this well but I hope you get what I am trying to say. It seemed to fit the typical profile of far too many internet bloggers who seem to have this subtle (and in some cases not so subtle) need to argue their side and win without really listening to or giving credence to those they are arguing against when credence is deserved. I may have read too much into this, that's just how it all came across to me. Back to the earlier point that was being discussed, I was wondering about the power of the mind over matter, I think we can use our minds to do very extraordinary things. I know for a fact that sexuality can and does change at least slightly what I don't know is to what extent and for the most part I doubt that it's to any significant degree. I used the example of the Buddhist monk to illustrate how an individual can completely alter their natural will (self-preservation, avoidance of pain in that case).
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:49 pm
Semiremis I was wondering about the power of the mind over matter, I think we can use our minds to do very extraordinary things. I know for a fact that sexuality can and does change at least slightly what I don't know is to what extent and for the most part I doubt that it's to any significant degree. I used the example of the Buddhist monk to illustrate how an individual can completely alter their natural will (self-preservation, avoidance of pain in that case). I have a personal theory that if one can alter one's sexual preference, one is likely bisexual/pansexual to begin with and simply alternates blocking out sexual attractions. (Or, if "changing" to bisexuality/pansexuality, one accepts one's "original" sexuality.) Besides personal experience, however, I don't think I can back that up with anything.
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Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:02 pm
Nines19 Semiremis I was wondering about the power of the mind over matter, I think we can use our minds to do very extraordinary things. I know for a fact that sexuality can and does change at least slightly what I don't know is to what extent and for the most part I doubt that it's to any significant degree. I used the example of the Buddhist monk to illustrate how an individual can completely alter their natural will (self-preservation, avoidance of pain in that case). I have a personal theory that if one can alter one's sexual preference, one is likely bisexual/pansexual to begin with and simply alternates blocking out sexual attractions. (Or, if "changing" to bisexuality/pansexuality, one accepts one's "original" sexuality.) Besides personal experience, however, I don't think I can back that up with anything. Could be. I'm not so sure there is anyone out there who is completely straight or completely gay and like you said, there isn't really a way to find out since this topic is so charged, it makes it more difficult for many to limit their own personal bias on the matter.
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