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What the hell Nora?
I know you're not an artist and for that reson can't fully understand. But try to understand this:

Artist are not machines, if they don't feel like drawing you that's a good reson not to. They spend hours of their free time doing you a favor, then they have the right to stop whenever they want to. What world are you living in? Gaia gold is'nt real. It does'nt pay for pencils or make up for the time spent.

You're talking like a spoiled brat in a candy store. Pointing out what you want, then whining when you don't get it.

I worship the artist that draw for me, every one of them. I'm so thankful. They don't owe me excuses or good resons, like their mom died, to cancel my request. I would'nt want them drawing me if they did'nt like it. Then I prefer if they cancel even if I love their art.

Personally when I do a comission and don't get any inspiration, it's just a dead end, it can't be done. If I would try anyway it would'nt come out good and I'm sure the customer would'nt want that so for everyone's sake I cancel.

That's how I think. You can think whatever you want but I wish you would'nt bad mouthing/blacklisting artist that has'nt done anything wrong. You just can't force people to do art.

I don'nt know if this moderating power got to your head or if you're just a "shitty person". I totally changed my mind about you and I totally disagree whith you. Tell me if I missunderstood you, I sure hope so.

Sai, gold has different value to everyone. Personally it's good just to buy art, other like to buy items. I'm glad for that cause otherwise I would'nt be getting my art. ^_^

But if the artist change their mind and does'nt think it's worth it there is nothing I could do. If you're realistic, gaia gold is nothing.

What I mean is that you should have this in mind and think about how kind these artist are that do hours of work, making gorgeous pictures, for free.

They deserve respect and the right to cancel comissions.

Of couse I'm not talking about artist that takes gold and never comes up whith the art, that's shitty and they should give refund.

Do not be condescending. I may not a pen and paper artist, but that does not make me any less intelligent or able to consider a situation from multiple perspectives.



Then they should not have agreed to the commission in the first place.



It is not a 'favor' that artists do comissions. It is a mutual exchange. Each person gets something in return. If the person does not want Gaia gold or does not feel it is worth something, then they should not take the commission.



You're being childish. Wanting someone to keep their word on a contract is not being spoiled. Being spoiled is breaking your word when you have absolutely no reason to do so.



It's a matter of courtsey. Nothing is ever onesided. I fully value and appreciate artists who are willing to give me a commission. Manytimes I'm giddy and estatic. However I do not grovel at their feet or worship them and I do not understand the mentality of doing so. They do not worship me for giving them gold for their art, and I do not worship them for giving me art for my gold.



I think that depends on the customer, and they should have the choice to wait longer, to accept something they don't feel will be as good, or to agree to cancel the commission. I think you are misunderstanding me immensely. I have never said that an artist should not be able to cancel a commission. Nor have I said that hitting a full, dead end, no hope artists block on a commission is not a legitimate reason to tell someone you cannot do their commission. You are reacting so strongly because, it seems, you're getting defensive since you've canceled commissions before, and now you feel that people will look down on you or think less of you for this.

Canceling it in a casual, arrogant, or rude way is unacceptable, and not having any good reason other than a moment's whim is a really shitty thing to do. If you haven't done this, then you don't need to get so defensive.



No, you cannot force people to do art, and that is a really major problem on Gaia. It results in a lot of people being taken advantage of or scammed. The artists have complete control on Gaia, they can drop what they are doing at any time and ******** over anyone they want to, because they cannot be forced to do art. Someone in a group auction can say 'oh, I don't feel like doing the peice now' and in doing so will screw over the person who won the auction and the person who was to benefit from it. It can be completely and totally malicious; I've seen it happen more than once. I've seen refusal to do art used as a tool to try and get someone who ran a group auction banned for scamming or as a way to get back at an ex friend or bf/gf.

There is nothing you can say that will make me think that these people "haven't done anything wrong".




Gaia comissions are /not/ free art.

A lot of Gaia commissions earn /more/ on Gaia than they do in real life. An auction that goes for 4 million gold is getting paid far, far more than the artist would in real life if they normally sell commissions for anywhere under $100. That $100, if donated, would get you about 300k in gold, whereas the auction will get you 2003 items you can't buy with 300k.

Gold has to be earned on Gaia, just like real money does. Gold does not have as much diversity of use as real money does, but it is still worth something. Many people donate real money for their gold. So suddenly has their real money become worthless because of the currency conversion? I think not. Why do the hours an artist spends making a picture count so much more than the hours someone spends earning the gold to pay for that picture? You are being an elitist with regards to art and artists, and in the process insulting those who work hard for their gold or whose only means of commissions are via gold, and so value their commissions and expect artists to hold up their end of the deal.



Disagreeing with someone is not an excuse to be condescending to them, to insult them, or to bring in completely unrelated facts about them. In the future, if you want to disagree with me, do without resorting to childish insults and condescension and without getting so defensive as to lose perspective completely.

I do commissions in real life. Mostly oil paintings, because it's my forte. And the most constant request is pet pictures, or family portraits - and I hate doing both of those, they bore me to tears. But a painting alone can net me anywhere from 200 - 600$ (for simple 20" x 30" canvas - sometimes the cost can get into the 1000's if it's an auction) depending on the size and quality, not factoring in paint costs.

NEVER, EVER have I EVER told someone "I'm done, I don't feel like doing this". Once you take a commission, it's basically signing a verbal contract stating that you will finish their piece for their money.

And if you don't finish it, or decide halfway "nah" - they have EVERY right to blacklist you. This is how the real world works. If you try to tell an employer that you're an excellent artist, they won't give a s**t if you can't actually put out the work because "weh weh I didn't feel like it".

You don't show up at a normal work job and say "I don't feel like it". If you do, guess what! You get fired! Taking a commission is just like a job. You get the god damn work done.

Yes, artists aren't machines. But artists who take on commissions know what they're getting into, and changing their mind halfway through it is irresponsible AND bad business. No one will rehire you.

Nora understands the art world perfectly fine - she commissions people all the time, and also does recieve free art. If anyone knew ANYTHING about commissioning art, Nora would know. And, to top it off, Nora is also friends with a plethroa of artists who probably more than certainly share their woes with her.

But as for Gaia Gold not being real, that's, in many ways, not true. The donation items that we get every month are only obtainable through donations of REAL MONEY. That real money basically fuels t he economy by selling items on the marketplace, etc etc. It's still a commission. If you want to cancel it on the basis of "it's not real money" then stop wasting everyone's time and never comission again. The person who contratced you to do art has every right to say "Don't buy art from them, they're flaky".

So yeah. Stop blabbing your mouth for reals.

redface Ahh, really I have no idea how much would be fair. That pricing assistance forum is the worst place ever. People always tell me weird things like fullbody watercolour pictures by me are worth 600g when I post there, when I can reliabley get that much for a 2 colour headshot. ^_^;;

It is nice of you to offer though!!


And re: the discussion at hand, I agree with Nora, Mek, etc 100%.