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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:46 pm
While I appreciate the sword duel we've been having so far immensely, I also didn't want it to only be a sword fight, if only because it would be two fights in a row where I haven't gotten to use a single ability besides my equipment.
Forgive my trigger happiness, lol.
Re: Cael Ox - Steel is harder than bone, so it stands to reason that if it can cut through metal it'll go through bone too. It might not peel his head in two like I was hoping, especially with the shorter distance as I understand it now, but even a cut that didn't manage to make it all the way through the skull would leave him with a nasty concussion and blood pouring into his eyes, which is an acceptable trade for dislocating the collarbone of my sword arm.
There is also the issue of the main gauche.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:49 pm
Lord Haelstrom Ohhh. You folks debating the honor of your fights, and the mechanics. I gotta sit here and just stare at my thread knowing the only way that fight's gonna go further is if I repeat delete my post and reword my last post to do new and exotic things by quoting the last iteration, striking it out, and doing something even cooler. Just keep posting alternate versions of reality. Eventually pull them together into one post, where the alternate Hank Hills fight each other and Dale Vexic cackles while smoking his cigarette.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:51 pm
Scalar Warfare There is also the issue of the main gauche. Honestly I was expecting you to block the collar strike with it, since it was inches from the point of impact already. Assuming you didn't, I was assuming I would be attacked by it in the next post (which happened) and would have to either take the hit at face value or do some weird tuck and roll that would put me in a terrible position on the following post.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:54 pm
themightyjello Scalar Warfare There is also the issue of the main gauche. Honestly I was expecting you to block the collar strike with it, since it was inches from the point of impact already. Assuming you didn't, I was assuming I would be attacked by it in the next post (which happened) and would have to either take the hit at face value or do some weird tuck and roll that would put me in a terrible position on the following post. I thought about parrying it, and would have too were it not for the fact that you're falling on Kelvin... no amount of wrist control is going to turn that aside. As it happens, I picked the absolute worst guard to counter that particular strike, so I opted to just stab you with it. Kelvin's already open, so he's like "******** it, go for broke."
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:57 pm
Also re: the cut to the hollow of his arm.
I originally put in some stuff describing it being aggravated, but Gaia ate the first post and I had to re-write almost the whole thing from scratch and in my haste I forgot to re-add it.
It's pretty certain Kelvin won't be doing much with that arm for the remainder of the fight.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:57 pm
Scalar Warfare no amount of wrist control is going to turn that aside. No, but if I'm not mistaken a Main Gauche is a wide-bladed knife? You could have pressed the flat of the blade to your shoulder and caught the strike with the other side, which would spread the impact out and lessen the amount of force being applied to your bone. I'm not saying it would for sure work, but I could see the argument for it. Anyway, back in an hour or so.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:58 pm
Scalar Warfare It's pretty certain Kelvin won't be doing much with that arm for the remainder of the fight. 's okay. I have one arm that can't use the shoulder joint and one that can't use the elbow joint. By their powers combined I have one mildly retarded arm. I'm gonna have to start two-handing again for all the wrong reasons.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:00 pm
themightyjello Just keep posting alternate versions of reality. Eventually pull them together into one post, where the alternate Hank Hills fight each other and Dale Vexic cackles while smoking his cigarette. It can be done. Once a day: Dale Vexic's entertainment will grow. Vintrict Wait, are they trying to debate T1 in Sigil? Sorta. It went from debating the merits of T1 to peanut gallery "FIGHTING IS STUPID, FIGHTING RPERS ARE STUPID" and babble. There's some legit discussion there but most of it reeks of that "Everything's just your opinion!" void in roleplay discussions where logic goes to die a brutal death.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:02 pm
No one is debating the main gauche. In fact, Jello made it a point to note that he put himself in considerable risk from that very weapon and I think your response regarding the main gauche itself was perfect. In fact I was going to say it earlier to point out that I think it should have been the main thrust of your offensive response, pun intended. It even works perfectly going back to the idea of the trap. You bait him in with the idea that he needs to get inside the rapier's effective thrusting range when, guess what? Now he's right inside the main gauche's effective range. Now, back to the lightsaber... You're really inconsistent with this. It's not the big of a deal, and then it is. You're free to argue that you think it should do x amount of damage, but I'm just saying it's not very logical. Let's ignore the "hot knife through butter" analogy because pretty much every time it's used it means "really sharp" rather than whatever resistance there might be literally melts away. You specifically mention brains. If the blade can pierce enough to so much as gently caress brains, it's effectively game over--barring supernatural abilities. Which in and of itself would be fine, if there was some real effort to achieve that result. This way there's pretty much zero. There's not even the effort of swinging the sword. Steel stronger than bone? Sure. But again, your description refers to a solid blow specifically. A flick of the wrist at extremely close range is the very antithesis of a solid blow. Again, your version isn't impossible. I'm just saying given all the facts, the description of the ability, the IC wording, and how the weapon works, it's the least likely outcome. I'd cut you some slack because you thought there was greater distance between the two of you, but Jello was very specific about that for his last couple of posts and it was never really disputed. Anyway, it's far too late for me. Gotta go to bed. I hope you two can still enjoy the rest of the fight.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:02 pm
Well, I already know my stance on the subject, and that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned. No reason to try to sway others in my view, though I can certainly try. Then again, if you know even an inkling about rping, then the answer is clear.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:06 pm
themightyjello Scalar Warfare no amount of wrist control is going to turn that aside. No, but if I'm not mistaken a Main Gauche is a wide-bladed knife? You could have pressed the flat of the blade to your shoulder and caught the strike with the other side, which would spread the impact out and lessen the amount of force being applied to your bone. I'm not saying it would for sure work, but I could see the argument for it. Anyway, back in an hour or so. The one I'm using looks something like this:  with a slightly longer blade. I didn't think it'd do much more than the lamellar/gambeson combo wasn't already. I did seriously consider it though, as it was an independent consideration from the rapier's movement. I'll stand by my decision though... seeing as even worst case scenario I can see here for Kelvin he nets two mostly disabled arms and a bloody gash to the forehead in exchange for having to switch primary hands. Thank god for old-style french grip swords and not these modern pistol grip ones. Otherwise I'd be <********>.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:10 pm
Darkest Silver ..... I am not back reading. All I know is that I get my new ******** vacuum and steam mop in half an hour. I am actually really excited! I get to clean! 4laugh
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:13 pm
Cael 0x No one is debating the main gauche. In fact, Jello made it a point to note that he put himself in considerable risk from that very weapon and I think your response regarding the main gauche itself was perfect. In fact I was going to say it earlier to point out that I think it should have been the main thrust of your offensive response, pun intended. It even works perfectly going back to the idea of the trap. You bait him in with the idea that he needs to get inside the rapier's effective thrusting range when, guess what? Now he's right inside the main gauche's effective range. Now, back to the lightsaber... You're really inconsistent with this. It's not the big of a deal, and then it is. You're free to argue that you think it should do x amount of damage, but I'm just saying it's not very logical. Let's ignore the "hot knife through butter" analogy because pretty much every time it's used it means "really sharp" rather than whatever resistance there might be literally melts away. You specifically mention brains. If the blade can pierce enough to so much as gently caress brains, it's effectively game over--barring supernatural abilities. Which in and of itself would be fine, if there was some real effort to achieve that result. This way there's pretty much zero. There's not even the effort of swinging the sword. Steel stronger than bone? Sure. But again, your description refers to a solid blow specifically. A flick of the wrist at extremely close range is the very antithesis of a solid blow. Again, your version isn't impossible. I'm just saying given all the facts, the description of the ability, the IC wording, and how the weapon works, it's the least likely outcome. I'd cut you some slack because you thought there was greater distance between the two of you, but Jello was very specific about that for his last couple of posts and it was never really disputed. Anyway, it's far too late for me. Gotta go to bed. I hope you two can still enjoy the rest of the fight. The thing about the wrist flick is that gravity helps tons here, as does the ballestra-style advance. I don't know if you've ever been smacked on the mask by a sabre blade (which, by the way, is at most a few ounces in total weight), but that s**t not only travels retardedly fast but hurts. A lot. And that's a waif of a blade hitting a target that's meshed and padded and removed about an inch and a half from your face on all sides. If that s**t whips you in the forehead directly, it's cracking bone. Now make the blade weigh a full pound (it weighs more but we're striking with the lower part so there's less oomph) and you've got a pretty nasty hit going.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:23 pm
Vintrict Well, I already know my stance on the subject, and that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned. No reason to try to sway others in my view, though I can certainly try. Then again, if you know even an inkling about rping, then the answer is clear. You don't even need to "know about roleplaying" to understand the basics of the answer to this supposed issue. Just a level of common sense. Rule sets help give structure by which context, growth, accomplishment, etc can be had. The system is meant to be a tool by which the player base's respective interests, concerns, and memes are properly carried out with minimal levels of disruption. There's certain expectations for how things need to be done, and certain ways you or I as individuals believe it need be carried out, but ultimately the same notion will always come up: we have to evolve the underlying system for a long term roleplay (or a roleplay community) based off perceived concerns. There is no holy grail or perfect approach to it, it's something where player needs are in a state of flux and always shall be. That is why overseers, "judges" or thread owners, are needed - to inject sense of the group and sense of the self into mindless rigid prewritten text when the norm is challenged in a new manner. Each player's memes will, if relevant enough, survive and surpass who introduced them and long outlive their participation - if they're meant to. A potent and potential meme of summed hobby or craft based knowledge and skill is one that is typically well received because it in turn passes on and becomes part of those persons' memes to do the same with; likewise those not well received are mocked, ridiculed, satired, and ultimately disappear given enough time. This is basic social evolution and plays out rather naturally in communities, especially online ones where our hub of participation is written content that practically screams what we deem "important" in every sample work. A few successful memes would be a certain brand of humor that tends to be well received because of its self-destructive jab at power play and hammy dialogue (Josh and myself in this tournament are good examples), or the concept of "fairness" [most tournament roleplays these days, painfully varied levels of success aside.] Where as a meme that used to be potent but is no longer effective would be the notion that your roleplay achievements and character power directly correlate to your status and worth as a person [FFA days and you can see it from some old FFA vets still]; that is a dying notion and whenever it manifests in a modern person, you see the group mentality target and attack them viciously if not downright mocking and scorning them, ensuring it never regains prominence in this venue. Also, while I wrote all that up, I figured I'd also mention Fagnus is really greedy when he plays AD Jungle Malzahar and I'm probably not gonna play Support Ashe ever again. I don't know how X does it playing that sorta s**t but it was bad to the bone.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 10:29 pm
Savoki Sanoci Darkest Silver ..... I am not back reading. All I know is that I get my new ******** vacuum and steam mop in half an hour. I am actually really excited! I get to clean! 4laugh Wana say that to my face while I'm holding a steam mop.... twisted :Edit: Where ish my post? I even drew Fulken the other day at work. I think he might look a little more crazy than I intended but meh.
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