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*nods* well, Gods forbid the truth ever be known about money, or government, or economy, or oil, or global warming... we just might hold someone accountable after all.

*nods* i agree. biggrin lol

I think that's the point behind supporting things liek WikiLeaks though. see?

when you can get to see every video, hear every radio conversation and telephone conversation, read every document.... unedited, uncensored, regardless of it's legallity... you know you are getting raw truth, and you have only your own mind and opinions to decide what to make of it.

if we continue to stay back in fear, the government, or any person rich enough for that matter, can just smash that site. there needs to be a spirit of unity between all of us smaller folks that tells us "we won't let them silence us!"

take a look at what's going on in wisconsin right now, and ohio. the whole collective bargaining rights battle for unions. it's all about eliminating the only campaigning threat against the republican party: unions.

take a look at arizaona, omaha, north carolina... these states that have won republican governership and majority republican congresses are now trying to close up voter registrations, block imigration and education/citizenship rights/oppurtunties for AMERICAN children of immigrants, and take dangerous extremes against abortion that are impracrical and also allow for murder! ._.

this is all part of an entire plot for the republican party and their big-bucks partners to rule america. it started a long time ago, and even walt disney played his part, with his government contracts, and his pioneering of the marketing synergy strategy.

I think that sums up this nation's foreign policy pretty well, at the moment. Kinda makes me want to move to Australia!

Well, I think if Wikileaks would stay focused on stuff that really affects the average person, I would be more interested in keeping up with it, but the whole exposure of the petty 'he said she said' diplomatic crap a couple of months ago really solidified my disinterest in it. I don't even put up with that s**t from my friends, and it really damaged relations that were important, and helpful to the populaces of the world.

I think focusing on corporate and government scandal is good, but it is hard to know you are getting the truth from or about either side. It become a huge political/media 'he said she said'. Some things are pretty plain to see though, without know who said or did what. If society as a whole stood up and said, this isn't acceptable and we aren't going to put up with this s**t any more!" Things would start to change without having to know who did what.

The fact that everyone is so pessimistic that things can change, or so disinterested in how ineffective our government and information services are, gives those services free reign to go as far as they want.

If there was a US based wikileaks that focused on just the corruption, it would probably fall because not enough people would give a damn, but that would be something I would be interested in following. One diplomat saying another diplomat's a** looks fat in a particular dress isn't something that matters to me, and it discolors any real information they might have for me to be interested in.

I agree the whole "he said, she said" thing is immature and not the correct way to go about anything. So is "tit for tat"... They never accomplish anything. So even if the site is trying to do something, the way they are going about it is not the best way to gain followers.

About how Wikileaks is illegal due to things it's saying about the US gov't, I actually have something that backs the gov't on that one. During WWI, there were several court cases nation-wide about anti-war speakers and such. They showed that the gov't has the power to arrest, shutdown, or destroy any person, group, or document(s) that go against it that "show a clear and present danger."

Bankers are greedy bastards, I think we all agree on that (;

The whole reason Australia is so awesome government-wise is because it was originally inhabited by banished criminals!

(Keeping in mind that I don't know what party I supposedly belong to: ) I recently find myself supporting a lot of the Democrats, mostly the 'liberal' ones. They sincerely seem intent on change for the better. Like more tax breaks for the middle-class, higher taxes for the rich (YES! lol), and more funding for schools and actually good things like that.

I hate the Michigan governor though, he can get shot for all I care. ANOTHER education cut: $400 off of each student for each school state-wide. My school barely had enough to get us through this year, the yearly spring musical was fought hard for due to cuts in our arts fund. The choir and band classes might have to combine (rather than there being Choraliers and concert choir and symphonic band and concert band, just one band and one choir). My school is better off than some, a couple don't even have music classes, but Snyder just pisses me off. He even cut the film industry's budget (in Michigan) from $5 million to $1 million! He won't tell anyone where he's putting the money either! Probably in his own damn pocket!

Random rant...

You don't think the U.S. has an internet censorship program?