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 Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 6:42 pm
Yeah that was just me getting confused I guess, might have acted differently then. Oh well, no hard feelings, even if it sounds like I've a little salt creeping into my tone here.
Just being harried by other stuff so I'm a bit defensive.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:15 pm
Yeah, I'm not trying to be antagonistic with it either. Just bringing up that the entire purpose of the pursuit was to keep them at a close enough range that you couldn't bring the point to bare (bear?) without pulling your arm back so far that your hand was practically tucked in behind you. Since, y'know, thrusts.
Anyway I gave it a little more thought in the shower and as much as I can admit that I have no issue with the choice of actions the timing/order of events is probably going to be important in my response. Justice went in when you pulled back on the rapier and created an opening for him to do so... I'll concede that he would have even done it even if the thrust was a feint (which would invalidate the taking damage segment of my response) but by the time you could try to transition into a downward chop he'd be all up on your d**k like a two dollar whore after three bottles of bourbon. At that point to even attack with the sequence of events start playing twister with itself -- because if it comes down after he lunges even reaching him with the blade segment would require a lot of arm movement because he'd basically be shoulder charging into your armpit -- and if it happens before that we're getting into the miniscule fractions of seconds.
But anyway, I have to leave right at this very moment so... I'll be back.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:21 pm
Hooray, I feel like my brain is working now that I have food.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:26 pm
themightyjello Yeah, I'm not trying to be antagonistic with it either. Just bringing up that the entire purpose of the pursuit was to keep them at a close enough range that you couldn't bring the point to bare (bear?) without pulling your arm back so far that your hand was practically tucked in behind you. Since, y'know, thrusts. Anyway I gave it a little more thought in the shower and as much as I can admit that I have no issue with the choice of actions the timing/order of events is probably going to be important in my response. Justice went in when you pulled back on the rapier and created an opening for him to do so... I'll concede that he would have even done it even if the thrust was a feint (which would invalidate the taking damage segment of my response) but by the time you could try to transition into a downward chop he'd be all up on your d**k like a two dollar whore after three bottles of bourbon. At that point to even attack with the sequence of events start playing twister with itself -- because if it comes down after he lunges even reaching him with the blade segment would require a lot of arm movement because he'd basically be shoulder charging into your armpit -- and if it happens before that we're getting into the miniscule fractions of seconds. But anyway, I have to leave right at this very moment so... I'll be back. I imagined it'd be happening mid-lunge because the feint isnt a reaction but a pre-meditated strike... But you're right, its very down to the wire because those hairline fractions of a second make a huge difference here. Personally, I know how fast I can flick my wrist up and down with a blade in hand... while the rapier is a heavier blade than an epee, the Baron is also an absolute beast of a swordsman... if he can move that weapon about as fast as I can mine, I could smack you on the head twice before you finished hitting me.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:42 pm
Scalar Warfare But you're right, its very down to the wire because those hairline fractions of a second make a huge difference here. Which is why I'm trying to clear this up before I write a response that discredits either of our assumed timing. I mean, if this were any normal situation it probably literally would not matter because there'd be hardly enough weight in the strike to cut sponge cake but with a lightsaber a flick of the wrist movement even at the base of the blade with no extension or momentum achieves results. So it matters. What also matters is this: Quote: Heroic Instinct - Passive # The ability to sense when villainy is afoot and to know when danger rears its ugly head are two things that a hero cannot do without. Justice Guy is able to sense the presence of 'dark power' (magic or energy used with malicious intent) and track down sources of dark power over a distance. The instinct also provides the hero with a 'spider sense' that gives him a split second more to react to traps or surprise attacks than he would have had otherwise. -because it applies here since he has no idea the attack is coming, he saw the thrust and tucked his head. I'm just trying to figure out the minute timing details of all of this so I can get it right in my response instead of going " ololololololololol"
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 8:49 pm
Nice to see some of these fight move along nicely.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:13 pm
Scalar Warfare I could smack you on the head twice before you finished hitting me. You... you honestly don't see a problem with this? No, I'm not doubting you can flick your wrist that fast... but you don't see any problem with an effectively weightless weapon that can cut through flesh and skull like butter, thus completely negating all the inherent limitations of that weapon's very design? Not only that, but the post was borderline an invalidation of your opponent's actions and "effect after the fact" i.e. "my blade was poisoned so that scratch you took is suddenly lethal!" You could argue against it, but there's literally no way he could have known of the effect, and it's activated instantaneously anyway during the millisecond flick of the wrist. You two seemed to have more or less worked it out, which is great and all. That's how disputes should go. But as another participant in the tournament, in the RP community here, and someone who's followed and enjoyed the fight up to now... it's very dissatisfying. Again, not saying the actions themselves are impossible, or that you're OP since the profile got accepted and I don't even know the standard for a reasonable participant anymore, but I'm just talking as a guy who has enjoyed the fight and the display of writing and technical skill up to this point on both sides. I guess to sum up my feelings I would say that it did not feel at all like Jello was drawn into a trap so much as he was forced into it. And I don't mean forced in a clever way.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:20 pm
The effect is not nearly as powerful as you make it out to be.
The butter analogy might have been a poor one... but I didnt want to undersell it either.
The little spoiler at the bottom points out the actual effect... a mere graze isn't going to do anymore than the blade itself would, nor has it become weightless.
It was edged before, but now it can slice into things it normally couldn't. That's it. The rest is just sword movement.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:34 pm
Cael 0x Not only that, but the post was borderline an invalidation of your opponent's actions and "effect after the fact" i.e. "my blade was poisoned so that scratch you took is suddenly lethal!" You could argue against it, but there's literally no way he could have known of the effect Just to play devil's advocate on this point... not that I want to shoot your argument down or anything since I've spent YEARS supporting this argument... but the only way for me to have known about something like that would be to have an ability that lets me know about something like that. themightyjello Quote: Heroic Instinct - Passive # The ability to sense when villainy is afoot and to know when danger rears its ugly head are two things that a hero cannot do without. Justice Guy is able to sense the presence of 'dark power' (magic or energy used with malicious intent) and track down sources of dark power over a distance. The instinct also provides the hero with a 'spider sense' that gives him a split second more to react to traps or surprise attacks than he would have had otherwise. Like this one. Which... only really works on something like that. On a normal parry or feint it wouldn't work at all, but for something like a poisoned weapon or a hidden gun (wink nudge) or a split second on-hit effect activating it would allow an "oh s**t" reaction. Which is kinda bullshit, but the ability itself was designed based on PRAIS JAESUS somehow giving a person faster reflexes. ...also kind of to punish people for not being forthcoming with OOC information in these kinds of situations. I mean, I can't promise that I'd have acted exactly the same if that had been in there ahead of time because we all unintentionally do a bit of meta but I'd been pretty loudly broadcasting for 2 posts that I was going to go for the first opening that presented itself. Cael 0x I guess to sum up my feelings I would say that it did not feel at all like Jello was drawn into a trap so much as he was forced into it. And I don't mean forced in a clever way. I can agree with your dissatisfaction. I wish that wasn't how it had gone... and not from any standpoint of "I wish he hadn't had an ability that could so easily damage me". I'm a little disappointed because from this point on it is no longer a roleplayed swordfight... it is a roleplay fight that involves swords in some way. But I'm no longer honor-bound in character to keep this as a sword duel anymore, and trick attacks give me so much super bar. Assuming I still have my head at the end of this post some silly s**t is probably about to happen. And that's a little saddening, because it was going so well up until here.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:35 pm
As I make it out to be? They're your words. I'd say it's more important to put the actual information in the IC post itself unless you make it very clear it's an exaggeration. The description itself doesn't really help your point except that it's a little more vague. Quote: By expending a charge of Latent Arcana, Lord Kelvin may bestow his blade with raw magical energy, allowing it to slice deeply into flesh and leather, and even cut through chainmail or thin plate with a solid blow. This effect lasts two rounds, after which it dissipates. Nothing about bone, particularly the hard part of the skull that the lower half or so of the blade would come into contact with unless he pulls his arm back midway. But in doing so he would be sacrificing the momentum of the swing. So we can assume it's not a solid blow because I don't see a chopping strike of a rapier being a solid blow at that range. Personally using the description I would interpret it as maybe cracking the skull at best if we're assuming it is not a solid blow. But you wrote the post making it out as if it is a solid blow. There's no underselling to be done here. If all the magical power does is "sharpen" the blade, you don't have a solid basis of power for a strong chop at that close range with a mere flick of the wrist. It's a pretty weak attack. Even a hyper-sharp diamond katana moving as fast, given the same range and limited motion of the arm, would not even crack the skull. So all it's gonna do is give him a headache and make him bleed.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:40 pm
Ohhh. You folks debating the honor of your fights, and the mechanics.
I gotta sit here and just stare at my thread knowing the only way that fight's gonna go further is if I repeat delete my post and reword my last post to do new and exotic things by quoting the last iteration, striking it out, and doing something even cooler.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:43 pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:43 pm
..... I am not back reading. All I know is that I get my new ******** vacuum and steam mop in half an hour. I am actually really excited! I get to clean! 4laugh
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:45 pm
Wait, are they trying to debate T1 in Sigil?
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2014 9:46 pm
Well, depending on exactly how sharp it is... but yeah.
The difference between "cut like butter" and "is able to cut it at all when it couldn't before" is pretty significant. It's the difference between being able to let go of the weapon entirely and just have the force of gravity pulling on it sever an entire limb - and "your armor can't stop a solid hit anymore".
With the setup the way it is... Justice lunging in, ducking the assumed awkward thrust in order to get face-to-face (though it'd be more like forehead to chin) the only window for making the downward attack would be a fraction of a second between when you pull the blade back and when he breaks your collarbone which... is basically what I'm trying to hammer out here. Since in my head Kelvin had to pull the rapier back much further than in your head, and he's already suffered a sparsely described injury to the muscle group required for a downward slash.
I dunno. At this point I should probably just write a response and stop trying to sketch out a metaphorical flow chart of the situation.
...but since I'm at work instead I'll go and do some work-related things for an hour and come back to it. Apologies for not responding immediately.
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