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Actually, if you are counting the four gods and three characters, then you are wrong. Though, last I knew, the gods couldn't march with the army. I know that there are daemons for each of the four major factions.

As for the characters, they are as follows:
Fabius Bile
Abaddon the Despoiler
Kharne the Betrayer
Typhus
Lucius the Eternal
Ahriman of the Thousand Sons

So, concluding, there are six characters that you can actually field. If you can field the gods, then I have been oblivious to this. Though, I am not counting the four greater Daemons of the four main factions.

At any rate. Yes, indeed, most races have few characters. Though if you count the phoenix lords of the Eldar, there are quite a few for them. But, that is beside the point. What I was trying to get at was the fact that in other races, you can use the characters with any faction that you create with them. Regardless if it is one of the ones that creators have previously set or one of your own. But, with the Space Marines, most of the characters are for the Ultramarines. Then, there is one for the Imperial Fists. And, there is one for the Raven Wing. These are the only ones that I have ever heard of. And, in their description, it says that they can only be used in their appropriate chapter. These are the ones that are out of the general Codex: Space Marines. I have a feeling that there are others, but those go to certain factions. Whereas, when you have people that create a chapter of their own, they can't use characters. Due to the fact that there are no characters to their chapter. But, if you make a new faction with armies such as the Tau, Eldar, or Chaos, then you can include any characters that you want. I don't know. Maybe I am wrong about this as well. If so, then disregard this entire message. Scold me while you are at it for my ignorance. I do appologize. I have only been playing for about a year now. So, I know that my knowledge is rather limited. So, like I said, just scold me...

Seven, he meant 4 characters aligned to a diety, and three unaligned. You forgot the Astral Claws guy.

Next, yes you were wrong. In the Tau's case, Farsight is a renegade, only useable in the Farsight onclave (I think thats the name), with fielding restrictions for what his army can be (at least in their first codex). The eldar, Eldrad goes to the Ulthwe, That new guy goes to Iyanden, The guy on the Vyper goes to Saim Hann. The pheonix lords can go wherever, but obviously you only get two per army. Witht he Orks, Gazkull goes to the Goffs. IG, Yarick goes to the Steel Legion, Creed goes to the Cadians. So its not just marines.

Also, there were more marine characters, the Crimson fists had one, the Salamanders had one, and there mightve been another.

Though the next point is, yes they can use special characters in made up chapters. For example, if someone was playing an Tyranid hunting chapter like the Scythes of the Emperor, they could ask permission to field tyranid hunters. Those are normally restricted to the smurfs. Paint them black and yellow, and there you go.

Or make up a chapter and convert some badass model, and use Marneus' stats with permission. The models are just representing rules, and as long as youre wysiwig, not much of an argument against it. But most of all, you can always use the options given to you. I have a Reclusiarch Chaplain loaded with gear a thunder hammer and his crozius, personally Im not worried about having a special character.

You mean Raven-GUARD, ravenwing is a second company of the dark angels,
even thought they do have Master Samael.



It´s just me who has that problem, but I´ve found a way to counter it by
using Excell. :3

You have to remember that it was made like that, not only to make it more simple,
but to give the players the option to take less time counting theyr armies,
rather having them quickly done on the spot or quickly redoing them
because of some random reason.

Once again, I do appologize for my ignorance. Like I said, I am new to the 40K world. I am more of a fantasy fan myself. I only play 40K because that is what my brothers play. But, at any rate. Like I said, I appologize.

Aside from what has been said, I don't favor characters. That is another reason why I created my own chapter. They cost too many points in my favor. That, and in some cases, you and the other player have to agree on it. Or, that is what the rulebook said... I think.

Again, I appologize for my ignorance.

That was a point people made back when I complained of the new chaos book. My problem with that is that its a table top wargame. Youre looking at probably an hour as it is. Not to mention, you spend in some cases months to years collecting an army, i think players could take a half an hour to read over a 40 page or so codex.

If I were looking for speed, theres Warmachine where there is very little customizing, or even more extreme something like Hero Clix where they even come painted.



Thats another thing, as the new codexes come out, theyre removing asking for permission. And in the case of the eldar at least, their characters where listed right in the HQ section rather than in a seperate section. So it seems theyre being made standard.

I've been working on a special character for my custom chapter using this set of character construction rules posted about three pages ago. I feel most special characters, especially him, are only suitable for certain occasions such as megabattles and Apocalypse. (Look at the Blood Angels' Chief Librarian Mephiston. THREE powers per turn PLUS his force weapon?)

Anyways, in response to someone about two pages ago...

That was actually the original plan, but I eventually decided against +30 points per squad (especially for Assault Marines, who don't even get regular Bolters). Now that I think about it, I can take No Mercy, No Respite without an extra disadvantage, right? Woo! Furious Charge!

Not the bolter one, the pistol-and-chainsword one. No Mercy, No Respite and Take the Fight to Them are under the same Chapter Trait, which means I don't have to take the extra Minor Disadvantage.