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 Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:57 pm
i-like-chikin SyaoWoof Hmm... So since Fay and Kurogane are opposites, I'm assuming maybe Fay wanted to get rid of [some?] of his power since Kuro wanted to become more powerful... I wonder.
I'm still not going to trust Fay until I know everything about him. I believe his fans should be more careful with him. You shouldn't decide that you like someone until you know everything about them, if you ask me... Especially if they're the type that hides things from you and lie a lot... Hmm...But Kurogane took the responsibility of the life of someone that "hides things from you and lie a lot," and said that he didn't care about Fye's past.
Yeah! Isn't Fay like Sadako? In Ring 0, they say that when she was young, she literally split (I MEAN LITERALLY) into two different people, though they looked the same and they were both her... though one was an evil form that used her powers for killing anything that threatened herself or her mom, and one was kind and harmless, that used her powers unintentionally if ever and tried to avoid using them. Sound like this could be possibly familiar?
I'll also add that her evil form remained a child while the harmless half of Sadako grew up. The younger one, I'll ALSO add, stayed locked up in a room the whole time.
Then the two reunited and rejoined and... killed everyone, including the people the good Sadako cared about the most..
So yes. As big of a Sadako fan that I am, I do not trust Fay.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:11 pm
Whoa. Awesome connection with Sadako there. eek Though I don't think CLAMP is going that way...o.O Are they?
Hm. Ashura-ou doesn't seem all that pissed over the fact that everyone in the country is dead. He's more concerned with this wish of his. I'm assuming Fai left so he wouldn't have to grant it.
Now, wouldn't it be screwy if Sakura was Ashura-ou's wish, and Ashura-ou ended up being another minion for FWR or something? That'd suck for Fai.
It'd also suck if that creepy kid was a clone or something. Because, as we all well know, clones apprently exist in this story. :3
Fai doesn't like to cause harm, or he likes it so much it scares him and he'd rather not have that. You can tell by his fighting style; it's more defensive than offense. Kurogane is the offensive fighter. So why would everyone in Celes be dead? If Fai killed them, he probably didn't do it because he wanted to; plus, for all we know, it was Ashura-ou that did it and that's why Fai put him away.
Oooh...maybe if Ashura-ou did it it was because he needed human lives to accomplish his wish, and Fai was the last piece to the puzzle. Fai, disgusted and not wanting this wish to come true, left.
Wow, my mind sure does wander and make connections very oddly. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 10:30 am
Actually I think Syaowoof might be onto something there. It's seems very likely that CLAMP would make allusions to such a thing. They have had traces of different things of the sort in some of their other series. Plus, The Ring is a big pop cultural thing so it fits perfectly in an allusion. Even if it doesn't play out exactly the same I think the connection still exists. Major kudos for you fot catching that Syaowoof!
And Phiso has a good point too. We still don't know if Ashura is good or bad. Or if Fai himself is good or bad for that matter.
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Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:12 pm
redface Thank you.
Though like Phiso thinks, it seems unlikely that they would base something off of another story. But still, there are a lot of similarities, though some can't be proven yet. It just seems strange to me.
But anyway... Whatever Ashura-ou's wish is, I think it has to do with the child, too, not just 'our' Fay.
I shouldn't be taking it too seriously, though now I'm trying to remember if there was anything that Sadako was supposed to do (like a wish) for her father (who she left and didn't talk to anymore, though the child stayed with him, hint hint.) It seems that if this really is based on any Ring 'legends', Ashura-ou would play the role of Sadako's father, who I might add, also had very strong powers of his own.
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:09 pm
Hmmm...
Just a random thought that popped into my head that doesn't really have to do with recent chapters:
If Chii was created by Sakura's feather, and Sakura needs all of her feathers back, would Chii have to be destroyed?
And chapter...154 is it? It was strange. Thinking of all the horror movies and such, why are there so many evil little children? sweatdrop They freak me out..
And I thought Fye's twin/clone/evil side or..whatever he/she/it is died..
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:17 pm
No, she wouldn't. Sakura already absorbed that particular feather - Fai had pretended it was stuck on Syaoran's cloak in chapter 3. Chii was only created by the feather - she isn't sustained by it.
Hm, I thought he/she/it was dead too...That's why it was such a surprise to everyone. That may be the lie Fai was told when he was "taken out" - that the child had to die in order for him to leave.
Perhaps both are necessary to complete the wish?
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 2:59 pm
Eh, my bad. I guess I wasn't really paying attention when I was reading. I wonder if the....thingy is even alive? Or real? o_0 And where is Yasha-o? I wonder if she is the wish...
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Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:49 pm
Yasha-o may not have a connection with this Ashura. just because characters are from the same series doesn't mean they have the same connections in TRC. For instance, Tomoyo-hime doesn't SEEM to have connections with Sakura although I think she might know about her I don't think her relationship is the same with Sakura as it was in CCS. So I don't think Yasha would be connected here but you never know.
Again with Syaowoof's theroy it doesn't matter if the story doesn't follow the exact plot of The Ring. I highly doubt it will, an allusion is just a reference. Not the real thing. So like I said before I think that there might be a reference even though it's not an exact parallel.
But maybe fai does just continue with his lies in the story or maybe Fei Wang Reed made Fai think the person was supposed to be dead...like if it was an illusion to make Fai guilty and want to leave Celes so he could meet Syaoran, Kurogane, and Sakura. It seems like these four were meant to be together. They have made other references with that. Like that whole thing with Kurogane. Remember...hitzusen!
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:56 am
Phiso Fai doesn't like to cause harm, or he likes it so much it scares him and he'd rather not have that. You can tell by his fighting style; it's more defensive than offense. Kurogane is the offensive fighter. So why would everyone in Celes be dead? If Fai killed them, he probably didn't do it because he wanted to; plus, for all we know, it was Ashura-ou that did it and that's why Fai put him away. There's that curse that only works in Celes though. So maybe it's an unbreakable curse, and maybe like the other one that was broken, it makes Fai a compulsive killer. And he didn't seem to me like he was looking over the dead people with a happy "oh yippee I killed them!" (You can tell I'm really tired) Ashura scared me. Like, I actually almost screamed when he said "Welcome back, Fai." *really doesn't like horror*
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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:34 pm
OH yeaaaa! O_O Oh crap, what if that curse is to do everything Ashura-ou tells him to?
Although, to play Devil's Advocate, if Fai did it of his own free will, maybe he looked unhappy because he didn't want the others to find out about his rather disturbing pastime?
And in reference to Yasha-ou and Ashura-ou, Yasha-ou barely had anything to do with this Ashura-ou anyway. Remember that there are two Ashura-ou in RG Veda: the one in Celes is the father, and the one in Sharano country is the son.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 12:32 am
yup yup! It was just 'coincidence' that Ashura-ou in Celes and Ashura-ou in Shurano have the same name. Unless CLAMP plans on doing something stupid like Beetrain did and go back to a world...
Even though Fai is a lying bleagh from the coldest corner of the 2 billion universes, I don't think he'd actually be the type to kill someone of his own free will. I can't remember who said it and where, but someone pointed out that Fai's fighting strategy was defensive. I think that's probably the most honest thing about him, the way he fights. It ties in line with the fact that he doesn't want to get close to people in case he hurts them. And he hides his true feelings for fear it might hurt someone. I think the reason why he's lying about his past is because he's scared that he'll hurt Sakura or someone...
I can't believe I made a whole paragraph supporting Fai... *goes into super depression* wink
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 1:27 pm
Aw come on who doesn't like Fai? And no, they can't go back to other worlds, remember in Infinity Yuuko told Sakura that the price would be too great to visit another world that they've already been to.
But I read chapter 154 over again and picked up on something I didn't notice before. Remember Syaoran was kind of complaining of a headache? Well it seemed to get worse as they got closer to Ashura. When they finally met he looked really distressed and was all putting his hand to his head and everything. Meaning.....?
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:04 pm
Maybe Ashura-ou is somehow connected to Fei Wang Reed. Sorry, what's coming into my head is this thing my Social Studies teacher was talking about. When someone revisits an area of trauma, it's possible that they'll physically shut down. His example was WWI veterans. At certain times of the year, they just break down because that was the time a bomb went off. So maybe Syaoran's experiencing something like that.
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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 5:57 pm
Hmm...maybe, but I was wondering if it had something to do with Ashura maybe being a bad guy or something. This syaoran has magic so maybe his head hurt because he sensed evil magic...but there was something said in CCS that you couldn't always tell what magic was good or evil. I think Syaoran said that to Sakura about Mizuki-sensei. Wow...I guess I just discredited my own theroy...oh well.
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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:45 pm
EDITED (twice)
*bawls*
Why do you do this to me, CLAMP? WHYYYYY? gonk
(Or, to be more like Fai - oh, excuse me, Yuui - DOUSHITEEEEE??? gonk )
(That above is in relation to my fanfiction, by the way. The one I haven't finished and they so brutally and mercilessly slaughtered with their backstory.)
WELL. This certainly makes things look different. Now I'm really curious as to why everything had to happen as it did (if confused, go back to "Fai"'s conversation with Yuuko in chapter 133, I think).
My God. What do we call him now? Yuui looks weird to me. I can't call him Fai or Fay or Fye or anything if I want to be correct. Damn. gonk
So "Fai" was the child left at the bottom who was gathering up the corpses of the dead criminals of the country. So that might explain something, but what it explains I'm not sure. (We have to wait for that.) Valeria is also a strange thing to consider, because now we know that "Fai" isn't from Celes. Plus we were right about that creepy kid being his twin.
Okay, I've had time to think.
Now, concerning the matter of the identity of the twins. What if we're wrong? Or what if we've been wrong? Fai's memory was of a child in his room, hugging the bars and crying to be killed...Who was that? Was that him, or his twin? The twin at the bottom of the tower...there were no windows for him to hang on to. He was simply outside of the tower. (See chapter 148 for further evidence of that.) So does that mean that "Fai", back in chapter 130, wasn't the child in the memory? That the one who wanted to die was his brother?
And suddenly Fai's line in chapter 130 makes perfect sense. "I don't want to bring others misfortune. So it doesn't turn into a lie like back then when Ashura-ou took me out." And Yuuko's response..."That wasn't because you were together." She knows of the twin, and of the curse (one FWR might have placed, considering how similar FWR looks to one of the royals in chapter 155). It makes it sound almost as if "Fai" knew that the twin was alive. Then again, that might just be an assumption I'm making...
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