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Manic Martini

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:33 pm


Jisen Meizuki
Manic Martini
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So were the Nazis troops...then again, they weren't based off a game...

Edit: ...I find this joke in bad taste now that I look at it.


Actually, I don't see it in bad taste myself. I use the same analogy when people commit immoral acts and justify it because "they were just doing their job." Just because you're paid to do something doesn't mean it's by any means morally justifiable, and one ought not escape scrutiny for their actions simply because something is their "job." Just like religion isn't excused from moral scrutiny or anything else.

So basically the soldiers are enforcing incredibly racist laws after living for years alongside the people they're essentially persecuting since "they're just doing their job." Yeah, not impressed.


That's true, FD. I agree with what you said, but I also think that there are some soldiers who may be doing their jobs just to protect someone/something they value, despite how they think if the actions are morally wrong or right.

Take Izzy and Vaida for example. They both see it that it was unfair and unjustice toward the citizens and their guild members/guards, but they're on the corrupted side where Rogvald is at. That's because they have something that they wanted to protect. Izzy is staying to protect the guild so Rogvald wouldn't use the guild for corrupted needs. And Vaida is staying in order to protect Mihira and the guards. Their loyalties are not residing to Rogvald, but they "do their jobs" in order to protect.

In fact, there were some of the soldiers who thought it was wrong whenever they were forced to torment and/or kill the captives (However, that would be a bad example because there are few who would value their life than receiving punishment or death if trying to defy it. sweatdrop )

I'm not saying that your idea is wrong, FD. I agree with you that others are doing their job if there's something beneficial in their favor. I'm just like to point out that there are some that think that it is wrong but are forced to do so in order to protect someone or something they value such as families, friends, and their lives. Heck, why not pull the Anne Frank scene on it? biggrin


Oh, I completely agree with you, Izzy. The people "just doing their jobs" would certainly face consequences should they cease to continue doing so that they'd probably prefer not to. And it provides a good space to depict and examine what various characters consider higher priorities: the well being, subsistence, and prosperity of themselves and those dependent on them, or the issue of institutionalized racism. They might have other motivations as well, of course.

That said, it still does not justify the moral wrongs they commit by "just doing their jobs." It just provides a logical explanation.

And really, I suspect they could successfully "fail" to catch every guild member they're supposed to be imposing these laws on if they wanted to and still give off the presence of one who enforces the laws, which says a lot about them already. They went out of their way to find the people who work at the Hostess Club after all, rather than simply address those they might encounter on a patrol. :/
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:13 pm


True, they should impose the law when patrolling. Maybe the laguz either skip to another town or go into hiding like what Rajin did before. >>;

Jisen Meizuki
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:27 pm


Moral wrongs depend on a certain point of view...
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:37 pm


Nomad Rath
Moral wrongs depend on a certain point of view...


That's partially debatable, but there's certainly some truth to it.

Manic Martini


Lady Arieta

PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:06 pm


OH GAWSH THE ENDLESS WALL OF TEXT IN 11 AAAAHHHH!!! *rolls around*
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:23 pm


Lady Arieta
OH GAWSH THE ENDLESS WALL OF TEXT IN 11 AAAAHHHH!!! *rolls around*


*pats Ephy* ... .__.;

Jisen Meizuki
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Misuki Marishima

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 5:59 pm


*is in the same position as Ephy* D:

... Is it okay if I just post in 12 first? I can think of a way in, trust me.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:03 pm


Misuki Marishima
*is in the same position as Ephy* D:

... Is it okay if I just post in 12 first? I can think of a way in, trust me.


I was gonna wait for Joshua to get on before I posted, cause 11 technically didn't end just yet. mad Not officially I mean unless Rath really wants it closed.

Lady Arieta


Faceless Soldiers
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:08 pm


You can post in 11. Unless you find the idea of it ending by having the entire resistance stare at Vaida's butt as she walks off suiting.

But I think it should be more of a closing post, if anything. The event just needs to move...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:11 pm


I realize that, but Joshua said he wanted to make one last post in 11 before it ended. That's why I'm asking everyone to wait on posting in 12, but if they absolutely can't help it then I can't stop them.

Lady Arieta


Faceless Soldiers
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:17 pm


I'll be honest. ...We don't have time to wait for Joshua. :/ If he was on and making a post as we speak, it would be different, but he's not and he takes a long time to post on his ps3.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:25 pm


Faceless Soldiers
I'll be honest. ...We don't have time to wait for Joshua. :/ If he was on and making a post as we speak, it would be different, but he's not and he takes a long time to post on his ps3.


feajoifaeaf *headdesks* aight then :I

Lady Arieta


Faceless Soldiers
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:33 pm


He can still post... I mean It's not like his post is going to stop people from going to 12, so...
PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:51 pm


What he said.... .__.;

Jisen Meizuki
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 6:59 pm


Please wai until I finish my 11 post before you post in Quelling the Flame
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