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 Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:42 pm
ZonkotheSane i think it's great how a bunch of =<16 year olds seem to know so much about relationships and most flowers bloom in alot less than 2 weeks but not from when you plant then froma wittle tiny seed.. at least none of my mine take forever to grow from the seed in kindergarden we had some i named my like sarah or katlyn or something... i don't know.. but it like didn't like bloom or anythign till like the ned of the year and then it was kinda wimpy >.> oo i agree wiht you kingspin! I mean i know i'm guilty of dating guys i had no intention of being with, but now i kinda regret that. 3nodding soo i advice you not to date anyone that you don't like that much, even if you are really bored and need somethign to kill time with 3nodding HA someone liked my similie.. thingie.. ma gig oo dark pheonix you get an award for being perfect and not blabbing on like me ^.^ go you
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:47 pm
kingpinsqeezels I personally think that their is no use in dating someone if you can't see yourself marrying them. I personally can't see myself marrying a black man...I'm not racist or anything, it's just not something I can see myself doing, therefore, I think it would be a waste of time to date them. I also can't see myself marrying anyone but a Jew. So...I could have probably found a better example outside of an African American. there are black jews, you know. i find it very pitiful when poeple feel the need to excuse themselves when making a statement that, upon application of twisted logic, flagrant bias, and much squinting could very well be viewed as racist
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Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:30 pm
ZonkotheSane kingpinsqeezels I personally think that their is no use in dating someone if you can't see yourself marrying them. I personally can't see myself marrying a black man...I'm not racist or anything, it's just not something I can see myself doing, therefore, I think it would be a waste of time to date them. I also can't see myself marrying anyone but a Jew. So...I could have probably found a better example outside of an African American. there are black jews, you know. i find it very pitiful when poeple feel the need to excuse themselves when making a statement that, upon application of twisted logic, flagrant bias, and much squinting could very well be viewed as racist You do have you have to do in these troubled times... And yes, I do realize there are black jews. From Ethopia and such.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:00 pm
About half my shul is American-born black Jews, all gerim or children of gerim. 3nodding
I'm simply not physically attracted, in general, to African-American men. If I met one I was attracted to, that I liked, that was Jewish, I would definately date him, just like I'd date a white or Asian Jewish guy I liked and was attrated to.. It's just less likely given that I more or less know what I like. sweatdrop Sometimes people can surprise you, though..
And Zonko: This is kind of late, but I know a LOT of politically left-leaning religious Jews - but they _all_ disagree with their party lines when it comes to foreign policy in the Middle East, especially Israel.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:33 pm
YvetteEmilieDupont oo dark pheonix you get an award for being perfect and not blabbing on like me ^.^ go you Thanks. sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 3:23 pm
Shoujo Kakumei J-chan And Zonko: This is kind of late, but I know a LOT of politically left-leaning religious Jews - but they _all_ disagree with their party lines when it comes to foreign policy in the Middle East, especially Israel. and "gay rights", abortion, euthanasia... alot of what the left goes for is kinda blatantly antithetical to jewish belief
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:15 pm
So all of you feel that dating for the sake of "training yourself" for your future spouse isn't a very positive thing to do, right? sweatdrop .
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:06 pm
Well, define what you mean really.
For example, what, if anything does Judaism say about casual dating.
I personally feel as though going out on a few dates with people or getting to know them a little better is a good thing- you get to know somebody before you become boyfriend/girlfriend with them. Once you do that, you date them as a couple again, to find out if you really want to marry them. If you get along very well as a couple, then you can eventually marry and so on.
I feel that dating simply just to "date" and have experience with a boyfriend/girlfriend is wrong; I don't feel the need to go out with some random guy simply to say, "I had a boyfriend," or "I have a boyfriend." That just seems silly to me. xp
However, if the relationship actually means something, go ahead. ^^
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:13 pm
darkphoenix1247 Well, define what you mean really. For example, what, if anything does Judaism say about casual dating. I personally feel as though going out on a few dates with people or getting to know them a little better is a good thing- you get to know somebody before you become boyfriend/girlfriend with them. Once you do that, you date them as a couple again, to find out if you really want to marry them. If you get along very well as a couple, then you can eventually marry and so on. I feel that dating simply just to "date" and have experience with a boyfriend/girlfriend is wrong; I don't feel the need to go out with some random guy simply to say, "I had a boyfriend," or "I have a boyfriend." That just seems silly to me. xp However, if the relationship actually means something, go ahead. ^^ I don't date currently, but if I did I would probably date a Jewish guy. You never know who you'll end up with... right now, I'm gonna date because I like them, and that's it. Maybe later I'll date for marriage, but high school is supposed to be fun like that so yeah ^_^ My mother wants me to marry a Jewish medical student or doctor. Any other girls out there have that same urging from their maternal unit?
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:23 pm
Completely! sweatdrop
I feel rather bad, actually. I don't know what I would do in the event I did fall in love with a goy; I know it would never work because of the religion difference, as he would have to want to convert of his own free will, so I guess I would have to find somebody else. It'd be rather sad, though.
xp My mom and grandmother have drilled into my head since I was something like 5, "Marry a nice Jewish boy, who is sweet, kind, intelligent, treats you like a Queen, makes something of himself, etc. etc."
Pretty funny, actually.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:31 pm
ZonkotheSane Shoujo Kakumei J-chan And Zonko: This is kind of late, but I know a LOT of politically left-leaning religious Jews - but they _all_ disagree with their party lines when it comes to foreign policy in the Middle East, especially Israel. and "gay rights", abortion, euthanasia... alot of what the left goes for is kinda blatantly antithetical to jewish belief Tons of lefties are against abortion as birth control...but the reason why they want to keep it around is because there are things you would need an abortion for that might kill if you continue to carry a baby. We aren't Pro-Abortion, we're Pro-Choice. There's a big difference.
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Posted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:47 pm
darkphoenix1247 Completely! sweatdrop I feel rather bad, actually. I don't know what I would do in the event I did fall in love with a goy; I know it would never work because of the religion difference, as he would have to want to convert of his own free will, so I guess I would have to find somebody else. It'd be rather sad, though. xp My mom and grandmother have drilled into my head since I was something like 5, "Marry a nice Jewish boy, who is sweet, kind, intelligent, treats you like a Queen, makes something of himself, etc. etc." Pretty funny, actually. Ahahahaha.... yes, all Jewish mothers seem to do that... ^_^ If you fall in love with a goy, eh, not the end of the world, just make sure he respects your religion and knows that any child you bear will be Jewish so he better deal with it mrgreen The advantage to being a woman in this religion!
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 11:25 am
KrazyTerry darkphoenix1247 Completely! sweatdrop I feel rather bad, actually. I don't know what I would do in the event I did fall in love with a goy; I know it would never work because of the religion difference, as he would have to want to convert of his own free will, so I guess I would have to find somebody else. It'd be rather sad, though. xp My mom and grandmother have drilled into my head since I was something like 5, "Marry a nice Jewish boy, who is sweet, kind, intelligent, treats you like a Queen, makes something of himself, etc. etc." Pretty funny, actually. Ahahahaha.... yes, all Jewish mothers seem to do that... ^_^ If you fall in love with a goy, eh, not the end of the world, just make sure he respects your religion and knows that any child you bear will be Jewish so he better deal with it mrgreen The advantage to being a woman in this religion! my grandmother wanted me to either become a cathlic nun or to marry a nice cathlic guy ... and i'm going to end up marrying a jewish guy.. yea... sweatdrop I don't mind ^.^. lol I totally understand how you all feel about being presured to marry from a certain group of people. I don't know, I mean I use to really really care abou thtis guy daniel, i think i've talked about him with everyone. I almost loved him, I really almost loved him. But because we didn't have the same views on religion it definattly held me back from taking the leap from caring to love. I'm just glad I found the guy I have. ^.^ I think everyone can find the right guy as long as you're realistic and take a few chances, by chances I mean. Give the guy you think wouldn't totally be your type and talk to him a little bit. Most of the time you might not find that winner, but I say if there's a chance do it. (I don't say date him, just maybe hey talk a bit about morals, and what you think is right) ^.^ yayness.. >.> did that at all make sense¿.. dude it's upside down.. how'd i do that.. SHIZNIZ I'm awsome^.^¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ ha ha you do shift + alt then question mark muahhaa
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:15 pm
ZonkotheSane i think it's great how a bunch of =<16 year olds seem to know so much about relationships Now, do I detect some sarcasm here? Zonko, so what? Is it a horrible thing that we have opinions? Why can't we have an idea of what we want our relationships to be like, or how w e know what to look for when we're older? And with some other people how to appreciate and deal with what they already have? darkphoenix1247 Completely! sweatdrop I feel rather bad, actually. I don't know what I would do in the event I did fall in love with a goy; I know it would never work because of the religion difference, as he would have to want to convert of his own free will, so I guess I would have to find somebody else. It'd be rather sad, though. xp My mom and grandmother have drilled into my head since I was something like 5, "Marry a nice Jewish boy, who is sweet, kind, intelligent, treats you like a Queen, makes something of himself, etc. etc." Pretty funny, actually. Yea, I have that, but it's not really the pressure from my mother as from myself, one of the recent quotes was: "You know Lyz... If you have an A/B avergage at Westminster, they allow you to take some Academic classes at Princeton. You know Princeton has Hebrew 1, 2, 3, and 4... How's that? Taking Hebrew with some nice Jewish Princeton boys? Hmmm?" My response was something around: "Mmmm, sounds decent." For those who don't know, by Westminster, I was referring to WCC, Westmister Choir College which is five minutes away from Princeton University.
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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 6:57 pm
Ouch- my mom wants me to go to Washington University in Missouri (Wash U) because they have a good Hillel program as well. xp
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