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 Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:02 am
Colonel-Commissar Gaunt Land Speeders are way too easy to down. Usually a good krak missile can take take it out in one shot. It doesn't help that immobilized counts a skimmer as destroyed. (Errr thats right, right? Immobilized speeders count as destroyed?) And Kento, what I meant by that was, that I already had marines assembled. Could I still give'em true grit? Cause that was another thing about making a new Chapter, I wanted to model/paint them according to the traits I give'em. I will soon begin ordering after I play a few test games with my brother. Of course they'll have to be small since his tyranid army only consists of a few gaunts and genestealers. I hate living out here -.- There's no one to play.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 6:07 am
Van Evok well, but you can score only glancing hits on fast moving land speeder, this helps much ml vs rhino = 1/2 penetration, 1/4 destroyed (+1/36 destroyed from glancing) ml vs ls = 2/3 glancing, 2/9 destroyed so as you can see this ain't as bad Yeah, I've had land speeders that have soaked a lotta anti-tank firepower. And you get an assult cannon on em with the heavy bolter for only 80 points total, that a great value. For the marines, I personally don't think there's a better form of mobile firepower. Yeah, only armor 10, but just keep them moving and even the best anti-tank shot is gonna only glance it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:04 pm
Nuclearwinter Van Evok well, but you can score only glancing hits on fast moving land speeder, this helps much ml vs rhino = 1/2 penetration, 1/4 destroyed (+1/36 destroyed from glancing) ml vs ls = 2/3 glancing, 2/9 destroyed so as you can see this ain't as bad Yeah, I've had land speeders that have soaked a lotta anti-tank firepower. And you get an assult cannon on em with the heavy bolter for only 80 points total, that a great value. For the marines, I personally don't think there's a better form of mobile firepower. Yeah, only armor 10, but just keep them moving and even the best anti-tank shot is gonna only glance it.
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:40 pm
add to that they are most mobile SM scoring unit, and you have beauty for mere 50-80 points depending on armament...
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:49 am
Colonel-Commissar Gaunt (Errr thats right, right? Immobilized speeders count as destroyed?)
If they move less and scores immobilazation, they will not be counted as
destroyed but counted as unmobile vehicle, not able to move from that spot
on which they we´re shot down. 3nodding
Pretty much the same idea like the Necrons Monoliths.
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:07 pm
also note that rarely speeder is moving less than 6" , as fast movement is its best protection (glancing hits only)
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 12:39 pm
Van Evok also note that rarely speeder is moving less than 6" , as fast movement is its best protection (glancing hits only)
Mainly if the situation needs moving more then 6" or if your getting shot by an
weapon with AP value of 1. (Always Counts as Penetrating hit.)
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:48 pm
Asmondai Van Evok also note that rarely speeder is moving less than 6" , as fast movement is its best protection (glancing hits only)
Mainly if the situation needs moving more then 6" or if your getting shot by an
weapon with AP value of 1. (Always Counts as Penetrating hit.)hmm... I always forget that "ap 1" specuial rule. but which rule takes precedence over the other? the only glancing hits on a moving speeder (or a tank with that popped smoke), or a hit from an AP 1?
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:21 pm
Nuclearwinter Asmondai Van Evok also note that rarely speeder is moving less than 6" , as fast movement is its best protection (glancing hits only)
Mainly if the situation needs moving more then 6" or if your getting shot by an
weapon with AP value of 1. (Always Counts as Penetrating hit.)hmm... I always forget that "ap 1" specuial rule. but which rule takes precedence over the other? the only glancing hits on a moving speeder (or a tank with that popped smoke), or a hit from an AP 1?
In sense, an AP 1 weapons are designed for tank hunting and since melta
weapon is a HeatRay-gun, a slight glancing would still deal alot of damage.
But that´s just mine opinion. sweatdrop
Does anyone know this subject betterly? <.< >.>
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:19 am
Asmondai Nuclearwinter Asmondai Van Evok also note that rarely speeder is moving less than 6" , as fast movement is its best protection (glancing hits only)
Mainly if the situation needs moving more then 6" or if your getting shot by an
weapon with AP value of 1. (Always Counts as Penetrating hit.)hmm... I always forget that "ap 1" specuial rule. but which rule takes precedence over the other? the only glancing hits on a moving speeder (or a tank with that popped smoke), or a hit from an AP 1?
In sense, an AP 1 weapons are designed for tank hunting and since melta
weapon is a HeatRay-gun, a slight glancing would still deal alot of damage.
But that´s just mine opinion. sweatdrop
Does anyone know this subject betterly? <.< >.>
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 10:03 pm
King Kento
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
Makes sense..... neutral
Thanks for the help. mrgreen Offers cookies. O<(owo)
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:16 am
Asmondai King Kento
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
Makes sense..... neutral
Thanks for the help. mrgreen Offers cookies. O<(owo)*Hungrily snatches coockies.* Mnom-nom-nom...mmm...cookiesh...
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:03 pm
Father Joe Asmondai King Kento
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
Makes sense..... neutral
Thanks for the help. mrgreen Offers cookies. O<(owo)*Hungrily snatches coockies.* Mnom-nom-nom...mmm...cookiesh...
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:02 pm
Asmondai Father Joe Asmondai King Kento
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
Makes sense..... neutral
Thanks for the help. mrgreen Offers cookies. O<(owo)*Hungrily snatches coockies.* Mnom-nom-nom...mmm...cookiesh...
Must we really have emote filled rp's?
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:36 pm
King Kento Asmondai Father Joe Asmondai King Kento
This was a big problem for me as well playing eldar. Turns out its still glancing. The fast movement counts as being obscured, as if you were hull down, or using smoke bombs.
Makes sense..... neutral
Thanks for the help. mrgreen Offers cookies. O<(owo)*Hungrily snatches coockies.* Mnom-nom-nom...mmm...cookiesh...
Must we really have emote filled rp's?
No, we mustn't. : D
-Mykal
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