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 Posted: Thu May 25, 2006 7:13 pm
I.Am divineseraph norhingness can't be included because it is nothingness. it's what doesn't exist... and technically, even less than that. Why can't it be included? If you don't include the nothingness, what do you include? There's a hell of a lot of nothingness between the stars. Why should the nothingness after the stars be any different? The word nothingness is vauge. It would be better to say the unocupied space, or, to an even greater extent, voids.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 2:14 am
nothing is literally the absense of something. If nothing was something, there would be no such thing as nothing because if nothing was there, then something was there because nothing would be there.
I can't visualize either a finite or an infinite universe. It's too big for me. I can on a small scale, but trying to think beyond the small scale isn't something I'm good at.
I'll stick to my Hello Kitty back massagers/retractable pens. Now those I understand ninja
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 3:33 am
Lyme, this is man talk, so shush. It involves complex thinking and math, so stay focused on keeping your man happy xd .
Seriously, you do have a point, but space is nothing, no light, no matter, nothing, so in our reality and comprhension, space is nothing.
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 4:17 am
Yes sir! *removes all clothing and starts mopping the floors, cooking dinner, giving birth, and having sex all at the same time*
Space is nothing, yes. But I can't help but think that being nothing makes it something. Since nothing can be infinite (I mean it literally; you can have infite amounts of nothing since it's nothing) then that means there's something to it. Nothing!
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Posted: Fri May 26, 2006 8:44 pm
lymelady Yes sir! *removes all clothing and starts mopping the floors, cooking dinner, giving birth, and having sex all at the same time* You know...it may be degrading but that's actually pretty impressive. razz
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:44 am
lol
anywho.... i thought space was supposed to be made up of this "dark matter", or at a very minimum, gravitons.... it can be interacted with, hence gravity. einstein proved that. it can be bent, twisted and warped, so it must be made of something. nothing is less than a place where something was but now isn't, or a place where something never was.
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:03 am
divineseraph lol anywho.... i thought space was supposed to be made up of this "dark matter", or at a very minimum, gravitons.... it can be interacted with, hence gravity. einstein proved that. it can be bent, twisted and warped, so it must be made of something. nothing is less than a place where something was but now isn't, or a place where something never was. Dark matter, after I think 500 AP you learn to summon Odin. No really, dark matter is highly condensed star matter, space is the absence of anything.
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 11:49 am
divineseraph lol anywho.... i thought space was supposed to be made up of this "dark matter", or at a very minimum, gravitons.... it can be interacted with, hence gravity. einstein proved that. it can be bent, twisted and warped, so it must be made of something. nothing is less than a place where something was but now isn't, or a place where something never was. You're talking about the fabric of time and space, and that's different. It's not really matter in our three dimensions, as such, and it would exist everywhere. When you bend, twist, and warp spacetime, you affect other invisible dimensions. Something besides the up/down, side-to-side, forward/back dimensions we know and love.
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 4:23 pm
I wonder what it's like to go to a convention?
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:05 pm
I.Am divineseraph lol anywho.... i thought space was supposed to be made up of this "dark matter", or at a very minimum, gravitons.... it can be interacted with, hence gravity. einstein proved that. it can be bent, twisted and warped, so it must be made of something. nothing is less than a place where something was but now isn't, or a place where something never was. You're talking about the fabric of time and space, and that's different. It's not really matter in our three dimensions, as such, and it would exist everywhere. When you bend, twist, and warp spacetime, you affect other invisible dimensions. Something besides the up/down, side-to-side, forward/back dimensions we know and love. that doesn't make them nonexistant- they exist on some plane, though impossible to touch or percieve accurately by us. if it can be altered or seen, in any way shape or form, in or by any dimension, it can not be nothing because it is existant.
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:25 pm
Lorysa I wonder what it's like to go to a convention? What kind? Anime? Something related to your profession? Or something else?
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:27 pm
divineseraph I.Am divineseraph lol anywho.... i thought space was supposed to be made up of this "dark matter", or at a very minimum, gravitons.... it can be interacted with, hence gravity. einstein proved that. it can be bent, twisted and warped, so it must be made of something. nothing is less than a place where something was but now isn't, or a place where something never was. You're talking about the fabric of time and space, and that's different. It's not really matter in our three dimensions, as such, and it would exist everywhere. When you bend, twist, and warp spacetime, you affect other invisible dimensions. Something besides the up/down, side-to-side, forward/back dimensions we know and love. that doesn't make them nonexistant- they exist on some plane, though impossible to touch or percieve accurately by us. if it can be altered or seen, in any way shape or form, in or by any dimension, it can not be nothing because it is existant. The point is, though, that there is nothing -there- in that dimension that we can see. I didn't say that they are nonexistent, they just don't exist in the same dimensional plane as we do. And, again I say to you, why would it be any different in the spaces between the stars than the spaces beyond the stars?
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 6:46 pm
Cyanna Lorysa I wonder what it's like to go to a convention? What kind? Anime? Something related to your profession? Or something else?
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Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:14 pm
I.Am Um, you mean a sphere? And yeah, it would be infinite, in a way, I guess. xd But the surface area would still be a finite number, you know? Like, a circle still has a finite number attributed to its circumferance. And I know! You'd think it would be easier for them to see it through our eyes then for us to see it through their eyes, seeing as their mind goes, "They're trying to enslave all women" at the worst, and our minds are -all- going, "They are killing thousands everyday." And possibly that their main group, Planned Parenthood, is conspiring to kill even more in order to make more money by doing such things as giving out ineffectual condoms...
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Posted: Sun May 28, 2006 4:54 am
Beware the Jabberwock I.Am Um, you mean a sphere? And yeah, it would be infinite, in a way, I guess. xd But the surface area would still be a finite number, you know? Like, a circle still has a finite number attributed to its circumferance. And I know! You'd think it would be easier for them to see it through our eyes then for us to see it through their eyes, seeing as their mind goes, "They're trying to enslave all women" at the worst, and our minds are -all- going, "They are killing thousands everyday." And possibly that their main group, Planned Parenthood, is conspiring to kill even more in order to make more money by doing such things as giving out ineffectual condoms... unless you were to take a "snapshot" of the universe- at that still frame of time, there would be a finite ammount of existance and iam- that's not really nothing, then, is it? if it exists, on any plane, touchable, preciveable or not, it still does exist. you cannot see air, but we know that it has mass. and the space between stars CAN be altered- that's gravity... stars (everything, technically, but stars are just large enough for it to be significant) makes a sort of sinkhole that planets fall into. that's why we don't just float randomly. planets do it too, that's why they have moons. this, the space between the stars IS matter because it can be altered and touched, proving it to exist at least in some form.
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