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Hey Arilavent! You never responded to our last discussion about the intercession of saints.

Do you remember...?

Cool! Hope you had fun. Here it is!
Yes, but scripture is more important. Scripture is infalliable, unlike tradition which is imperfect thanks to mankind being imperfect. We should always be ready to throw away tradition and status quo when it comes to obeying God's Word.

If you can, good - but, it may be more difficult for others. I know it might be for me. But like I said, we mustn't let tradition be more important.

What do you mean by "everthing else in life"? Do you mean, like, the basic needs of life, such as food, or something else? I don't understand your response.

Okay, but are they using just thier minds? If so, they need to be confirm what they think of with the Bible.

Oh, so you understand what I'm saying!

So, why do the Catholics seem to "add" to God's Word through Church Tradition and whatever the pope makes into a divine decree? There's something wrong with that...

But, they're still dead. Speaking to the dead is forbidden in the Bible.

Thanks. Like I said earlier, I got a lot of homework to do.

Whoops, better tell Jesus Christ about that when He spoke with the Spirit of Moses on the Mountain and the Apostles witnessed it.

Hebrew Law (which was in effect only for the Hebrews, as Gentiles who converted to Judaism followed a different set of Laws), warns against contacting the dead. The reason being that God wanted the Hebrew people to look only to Him for Spiritual Guidence, not from the deceased, who, if wicked in life, could easily lead them astray.

Here's something interesting...

In 1 Samuel 28:3-19, the locus classicus for any examination of necromancy in the Hebrew Bible, Saul goes to a necromancer, a "spiritist," in order to conduct a seance in which he converses with the deceased Samuel. In an extraordinary turn of events, the first king of Israel consults the medium of Endor in order to "bring up" the old prophet, whose death had been reported in 1 Samuel 25:1 and was emphasized again at the beginning of this text, presumably to remove all doubt about Samuel's demise (28:3a). Samuel is then described as coming up out of the ground (28:13) and engaging in a conversation with Saul. The deceased Samuel announces that the next day Saul and his sons would be "with" him (28:19).

Samuel 28:12-20...

28:12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

28:13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

28:14 And she said, An old man cometh up; and he [is] covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it [was] Samuel, and he stooped with [his] face to the ground, and bowed himself.

28:15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

28:16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the LORD is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

28:17 And the LORD hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the LORD hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, [even] to David:

28:18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the LORD, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the LORD done this thing unto thee this day.

28:19 Moreover the LORD will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow [shalt] thou and thy sons [be] with me: the LORD also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

28:20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.



The Ghost of Samuel Appearing to Saul (William Blake, 1800)

But that one man chose to bestow that power to his successor, and so on and so forth.
Holy spirit comes into play. At least, that's what the Catholic believe.
I dont follow.

Majority of humans, or one human, who is a follower of Christ? Tradition is sanctified by the Pope. What the Pope says about spiritual issues and Catholic affairs goes.

Still not quite following.

This doesn't seem coherent at all.

He granted it to Peter. It's quite obvious.

I'm terribly sorry, but that post was so very tangential and separated that I couldn't quite follow your train of thought. Mind reiterating?

Well, I may have the ability to bind certain things, but perhaps there is a restriction on what can be bound. For one, the idea of "wishing for more wishes" is never allowed, so inheriting the blessing seems unlikely a possibility. Oh, I could claim it possible and say I bind it, but that doesn't mean I actually have the ability to bind it.

That's a linear or a better word might be coherrent concept. Which is good for consistency, but doesn't add to evidence to support either side.

Does peter replace God? (cause that's really really really really really what it sounds like. Perhaps only a few responsabilities of God, but still, Jesus was enough for me... (Hope that didn't offend, cause I really want to stop doing that)
Actually it's quite ambigious hence my question. I assume a tranlation in a different language would have a different word instead of different definitons for the same word. "you"

Just trying to learn, and those were the first set of questions I had.

Or at least, beyond the amount of control He chooses to exert.

Bloody omnipotence.

You cant say something without an example (and preferably one I haven't addressed and refuted already). The Pope sanctions traditions, no one else. Not only that, but Vatican II drastically reduced how rigid the traditions were.

If you would please stop taking sentences out of context, I'd appreciate it. This goes with the next paragraph you quoted.

It is based on Scripture, and the teachings of early church fathers, which are based in scripture and logic patterns.

God made the world and the Bible, right? So, they are both, in some way, God's Word. God would not make something that is not true. Logic is God's gift to us, and we can use it to find the truth, just like we use the Bible.

For example, Jesus never tells his Apostles that he is God. That was a logical conclusion made later.

Good to see we're getting somewhere. Actually, I'll have to revise my previous statement, based on Matthew 18. It seems that, while Peter was specifically given the highest authority, all the apostles disciples were given some binding power. It says, This does not change the possibility, however, of my previous statement, because the early church leaders certainly could have agreed to make Peter the final say in anything, thus making his power, as in all Popes, the law of the Church. Not to mention that the Catholics still have a hierarchy today in which Cardinals aid in running the Church.