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 Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:10 pm
Actually, The Nightbringer is the strongest, but He just woke up. The others have been awake for thousands of years(Excepting the Dragon). It makes sense that he is weaker then the rest of them.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:18 pm
well, that makes sense. what do you think the Dragon would have as his abilities though? it just seems like alot of tread-head IG players would be very unhappy, not to mention the fact that almost all the technology the imperium uses comes from mars...
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:19 pm
Faeruithir well, that makes sense. what do you think the Dragon would have as his abilities though? it just seems like alot of tread-head IG players would be very unhappy, not to mention the fact that almost all the technology the imperium uses comes from mars... There is that, and there is also that there is ALOT of Geneseed. The Marines would be VERY pissed if anything happened to their yearly tithe.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:20 pm
Faeruithir that would just be wild xd what i think makes an interesting problem is that both the dragon and the outsider seem like they would be more powerful than either of the other two C'tan already released. now correct me if im wrong, but didn't it say that the night bringer was always the most powerful? if that were true, then the dragon and the outsider could only be as powerful, if not weaker than the nightbringer. how would GW manage that?
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:22 pm
SanguineV Faeruithir that would just be wild xd what i think makes an interesting problem is that both the dragon and the outsider seem like they would be more powerful than either of the other two C'tan already released. now correct me if im wrong, but didn't it say that the night bringer was always the most powerful? if that were true, then the dragon and the outsider could only be as powerful, if not weaker than the nightbringer. how would GW manage that? True, it would be relatively easy. Then again, they could always make the Nighbringer stronger. That would not be A good thing though, then I could not kill him in one turn anymore.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:25 pm
well, that and the fact that so many people cry "cheese!" when they fight againts the nightbringer. all those whiney people would go crazy if GW made him stronger than he is now.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:27 pm
Faeruithir well, that and the fact that so many people cry "cheese!" when they fight againts the nightbringer. all those whiney people would go crazy if GW made him stronger than he is now. True, there is that. He is already VERY strong though, And if GW did that, they would also have to raise the Points cost, and that would ge the Cron players REALLY pissed off. Everything would just get worse from there.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:34 pm
yeah, i think the nightbringer is hanging in a kind of equilibrium right now. sure he's powerful, but like you said - you can kill him in one turn. if they changed him at all it would throw everything out of whack.
one more thing. keeping the nightbringer alive when you face armies that can in fact kill him in one turn isn't so hard. most people get to gung-ho about him and walk him right up the center of the map, making a bee-line for the HQ of the other player. now, if you play like me you'd do the opposite: take advantage of his "ignore natural law" rule and walk him through the most densly packed terrain on the map and strike at the flanks of the enemy.
if they try to deal with him, they go out of their way to do so and this gives a nice chance for the rest of the necrons to take advantage of such a distraction. if they ignore him, then he wipes out an entirle flank relatively unmolested. but it really depends on who your playing at the time.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:39 pm
Faeruithir that would just be wild xd what i think makes an interesting problem is that both the dragon and the outsider seem like they would be more powerful than either of the other two C'tan already released. now correct me if im wrong, but didn't it say that the night bringer was always the most powerful? if that were true, then the dragon and the outsider could only be as powerful, if not weaker than the nightbringer. how would GW manage that? Actually, if I recall, Nightbringer was the strongest. However, thanks to the machinations of the Deciever, he's lost his powerful scythe, and was just about to starve to death when some foolish explorers showed up, conveniently providing him with sustance.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 6:40 pm
Faeruithir yeah, i think the nightbringer is hanging in a kind of equilibrium right now. sure he's powerful, but like you said - you can kill him in one turn. if they changed him at all it would throw everything out of whack. one more thing. keeping the nightbringer alive when you face armies that can in fact kill him in one turn isn't so hard. most people get to gung-ho about him and walk him right up the center of the map, making a bee-line for the HQ of the other player. now, if you play like me you'd do the opposite: take advantage of his "ignore natural law" rule and walk him through the most densly packed terrain on the map and strike at the flanks of the enemy. if they try to deal with him, they go out of their way to do so and this gives a nice chance for the rest of the necrons to take advantage of such a distraction. if they ignore him, then he wipes out an entirle flank relatively unmolested. but it really depends on who your playing at the time. There is that, but there are many other ways of using him to better advantage. For instance, moving into combat with something, and then forcing them back with his Ethereal winds.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 7:53 am
Oryn Faeruithir that would just be wild xd what i think makes an interesting problem is that both the dragon and the outsider seem like they would be more powerful than either of the other two C'tan already released. now correct me if im wrong, but didn't it say that the night bringer was always the most powerful? if that were true, then the dragon and the outsider could only be as powerful, if not weaker than the nightbringer. how would GW manage that? Actually, if I recall, Nightbringer was the strongest. However, thanks to the machinations of the Deciever, he's lost his powerful scythe, and was just about to starve to death when some foolish explorers showed up, conveniently providing him with sustance. he didn't lose his scythe, why do you think it's on his model? The Deciver got teh enemies of the Necrons to strike the Nightbringer just before he went into staitus, depriving him of the much needed energy to survive.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 2:40 pm
Liberi Glacialis Oryn Faeruithir that would just be wild xd what i think makes an interesting problem is that both the dragon and the outsider seem like they would be more powerful than either of the other two C'tan already released. now correct me if im wrong, but didn't it say that the night bringer was always the most powerful? if that were true, then the dragon and the outsider could only be as powerful, if not weaker than the nightbringer. how would GW manage that? Actually, if I recall, Nightbringer was the strongest. However, thanks to the machinations of the Deciever, he's lost his powerful scythe, and was just about to starve to death when some foolish explorers showed up, conveniently providing him with sustance. he didn't lose his scythe, why do you think it's on his model? The Deciver got teh enemies of the Necrons to strike the Nightbringer just before he went into staitus, depriving him of the much needed energy to survive. Thus the reason as to why he is so weak. Otherwise, his statlines would be more like 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 so on and so forth. And if I added any extras, it is because he is so powerful it cannot be included in the normal profile. As it stands though, it was the Eldar who struck at him just before he went to sleep.
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Posted: Wed May 04, 2005 10:00 pm
Liberi Glacialis he didn't lose his scythe, why do you think it's on his model? The Deciver got teh enemies of the Necrons to strike the Nightbringer just before he went into staitus, depriving him of the much needed energy to survive. Aha, my bad. The Necron codex just says that the ambush engineered by the Deciever deprived him of his "most potent weapon" and I assumed the scythe he carried was an inferior replacement. In reality, it could be anything.
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 1:05 am
Oryn Liberi Glacialis he didn't lose his scythe, why do you think it's on his model? The Deciver got teh enemies of the Necrons to strike the Nightbringer just before he went into staitus, depriving him of the much needed energy to survive. Aha, my bad. The Necron codex just says that the ambush engineered by the Deciever deprived him of his "most potent weapon" and I assumed the scythe he carried was an inferior replacement. In reality, it could be anything. Well, I do not know where you live, but the American Version says that it merely weakened him greatly, in an attempt to kill him. I might have missed the other one though, so I will look again when I have time.
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 3:08 am
Relkin9 Well, I do not know where you live, but the American Version says that it merely weakened him greatly, in an attempt to kill him. I might have missed the other one though, so I will look again when I have time. I dunno what version of the Nec's codex I have, but I quote from my copy, page 28, right under the "Final Betrayal" heading: "As the Nightbringer prepared to begin it's long slumber, the Deciever's final machinations unfolded. It had betrayed the whereabouts of the Nightbringer's tomb world to its enemies and an armada of alien vessels attempted to destroy the death god before it could escape into stasis. They were unsuccessful, but banished the Nightbringer's most potent weapon into the Immaterium, a realm that is anathema to the star-gods, thus preventing it from accumulating the vast amounts of the energy it required to survive its entombment."
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