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nathan_ngl
Crew

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:04 pm


Hmm... Do I think Intermarriages work?...

I'll answer it simply. Religion-Intermarriages should be avoided at all cost. Even if it means breaking up with a boyfriend. I know this is a heavily defensive subject among people here in the guild, but face it guys, for the sake of the children, if you want them to become real strong jews, intermarriage just wont work, because "Respecting your religion and views" just doesn't cut it, no, it doesn't no matter HOW you put it. Sorry sweatdrop .

As for levels of faith-Intermarriages... Well... sweatdrop . Not much better than Inter-religion... but better nontheless.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:07 pm


nathan_ngl
Hmm... Do I think Intermarriages work?...

I'll answer it simply. Religion-Intermarriages should be avoided at all cost. Even if it means breaking up with a boyfriend. I know this is a heavily defensive subject among people here in the guild, but face it guys, for the sake of the children, if you want them to become real strong jews, intermarriage just wont work, because "Respecting your religion and views" just doesn't cut it, no, it doesn't no matter HOW you put it. Sorry sweatdrop .

As for levels of faith-Intermarriages... Well... sweatdrop . Not much better than Inter-religion... but better nontheless.


What if the husband or wife were to convert to the other religion? I don't mean to be rude, but I disagree. I think that religious intermarriages aren't preferable, if you really love somebody, it shouldn't stop you from marrying them. As for different levels of religion, that really shouldn't be a major issue. Sure, a few things might have to change, but I don't think it's a big deal for an orthodox to marry a reform Jew or something. I definitely see your point, and I do disagree with bringing a child up as both Jewish and something else (that's not really a religion at all!), overall, I think it could work.

Just my two cents, though- I know there are many who will disagree sweatdrop

darkphoenix1247
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ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:18 pm


darkphoenix1247
1. Do you think they can work?
like i said, you'll have to clarify. "working" is just too broad a term.

anyway, it's impossible not to be biased on this. those who are involved in interfaith relationships or are close with someone who is, or who have been brought up in a culture accepting of such practice will be unable to testify against it, and those who truly do believe such practice to be, well, impractical, or even wrong, for the most part have quite logical and sturdy data and/or ideologies to support their views.

of course, you have complete idiots on either side...

but ultimately, it's a tug-of-war between those who are right, and those who will not admit to being wrong, depending on one's view.
PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:22 pm


ZonkotheSane
darkphoenix1247
1. Do you think they can work?
like i said, you'll have to clarify. "working" is just too broad a term.

anyway, it's impossible not to be biased on this. those who are involved in interfaith relationships or are close with someone who is, or who have been brought up in a culture accepting of such practice will be unable to testify against it, and those who truly do believe such practice to be, well, impractical, or even wrong, for the most part have quite logical and sturdy data and/or ideologies to support their views.

of course, you have complete idiots on either side...

but ultimately, it's a tug-of-war between those who are right, and those who will not admit to being wrong, depending on one's view.
it's also, to a certain extant, a matter of custom, and culture. one's views and opinions are influenced by and reflected in the society in which one lives, or has lived.

somewhat unrelated: has anyone else realised that with rare exceotion, all irreligous jews are leftist, whereas all religious are rightists?

ZonkotheSane


darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:55 pm


ZonkotheSane
darkphoenix1247
1. Do you think they can work?
like i said, you'll have to clarify. "working" is just too broad a term.

anyway, it's impossible not to be biased on this. those who are involved in interfaith relationships or are close with someone who is, or who have been brought up in a culture accepting of such practice will be unable to testify against it, and those who truly do believe such practice to be, well, impractical, or even wrong, for the most part have quite logical and sturdy data and/or ideologies to support their views.

of course, you have complete idiots on either side...

but ultimately, it's a tug-of-war between those who are right, and those who will not admit to being wrong, depending on one's view.


Actually, it is possible to be impartial; I don't know anybody in an interfaith relationship, nor am I interested in somebody of another faith. xp

In this case I don't really think there is a right or wrong answer, though; that's why it's a discussion, not a debate. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:23 am


darkphoenix1247
nathan_ngl
Hmm... Do I think Intermarriages work?...

I'll answer it simply. Religion-Intermarriages should be avoided at all cost. Even if it means breaking up with a boyfriend. I know this is a heavily defensive subject among people here in the guild, but face it guys, for the sake of the children, if you want them to become real strong jews, intermarriage just wont work, because "Respecting your religion and views" just doesn't cut it, no, it doesn't no matter HOW you put it. Sorry sweatdrop .

As for levels of faith-Intermarriages... Well... sweatdrop . Not much better than Inter-religion... but better nontheless.


What if the husband or wife were to convert to the other religion? I don't mean to be rude, but I disagree. I think that religious intermarriages aren't preferable, if you really love somebody, it shouldn't stop you from marrying them. As for different levels of religion, that really shouldn't be a major issue. Sure, a few things might have to change, but I don't think it's a big deal for an orthodox to marry a reform Jew or something. I definitely see your point, and I do disagree with bringing a child up as both Jewish and something else (that's not really a religion at all!), overall, I think it could work.

Just my two cents, though- I know there are many who will disagree sweatdrop


I guess I didn't phrase what I said correctly... If religion is important enough for someone, he will see through the blinding power love has and be true to his religion instead of succumbing to his desires sweatdrop . That doesn't mean it wont work, it just means it will work less well sweatdrop . Love is important, I agree, but so is religion...

nathan_ngl
Crew


nathan_ngl
Crew

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 12:26 am


ZonkotheSane

somewhat unrelated: has anyone else realised that with rare exceotion, all irreligous jews are leftist, whereas all religious are rightists?


duh? xd .

People that aren't religious obviously have no (or very little) base of religion to even make any rightist claims (which most are based on religious sources). In their case... the arabs are actually right sweatdrop .
PostPosted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:04 pm


... my last boyfriend was jewish...
He was amazing,
spent two years together ((off and on))
unfortunetly ....
he had to move to russia.. and he said he might not come back
so we split up.
emo it kinda sucked.
But i love being with someone who shares my beliefs,
that way i don't have to explain stuff to them all the time...
which gets super annoying!

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darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:08 pm


Aww I'm sorry; I hope you guys see each other again! sad
PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 6:39 pm


A question: Please answer this as freely as possible -

Is it right to have a relationship, even if it may be a few years before you plan on actually marrying them?

What do you guys think?

nathan_ngl
Crew


Lady Pocky

PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:00 pm


nathan_ngl
A question: Please answer this as freely as possible -

Is it right to have a relationship, even if it may be a few years before you plan on actually marrying them?

What do you guys think?


There are a few things to consider.

1. Do you actually plan on marrying them?

2. Will it strain your relationship or help it grow?

PERSONALLY (note the caps) I believe that it is VITAL for a couple to have a serious* relationship for a year or so before marriage. It helps the couple to grow and learn more about each other, for them to discover if they are truly the right for each other.
*By serious I mean being completely loyal to each other, I'm not talking about anything physical

Once again, PERSONALLY, I don't see how there could be anything wrong with having a realtionship with somone even if you don't plan on marrying them for a few years, unless this is about physical relationships, that's a different subject entirely.
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:57 am


Lady Pocky
nathan_ngl
A question: Please answer this as freely as possible -

Is it right to have a relationship, even if it may be a few years before you plan on actually marrying them?

What do you guys think?


There are a few things to consider.

1. Do you actually plan on marrying them?

2. Will it strain your relationship or help it grow?

PERSONALLY (note the caps) I believe that it is VITAL for a couple to have a serious* relationship for a year or so before marriage. It helps the couple to grow and learn more about each other, for them to discover if they are truly the right for each other.
*By serious I mean being completely loyal to each other, I'm not talking about anything physical

Once again, PERSONALLY, I don't see how there could be anything wrong with having a realtionship with somone even if you don't plan on marrying them for a few years, unless this is about physical relationships, that's a different subject entirely.

I agree with you, I think that jewish tradition expects people to move to fast(in my opinion, i'm not saying it's bad or anything. Just for me it's to fast). For me i think of romance as a flower.. tacky and corney i know but that's how i see it. You can't plant a seed and expect it to grow in 2 weeks into a full grown award winning plant. You have to give it time and yes you will have some hard moments, but it will make it all worth it and it prooves that it won't easily die out.

I think that again serious realtionship doesn't have to invaule you sleeping together.

I could say alot about this but basicly I think love is made up when someone changes you for the absolute better when you become more complete because of having known them and being changed for the better.

... does that make sense at all?

YvetteEmilieDupont


ZonkotheSane

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:35 am


i think it's great how a bunch of =<16 year olds seem to know so much about relationships


and most flowers bloom in alot less than 2 weeks
PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:16 pm


I personally think that their is no use in dating someone if you can't see yourself marrying them. I personally can't see myself marrying a black man...I'm not racist or anything, it's just not something I can see myself doing, therefore, I think it would be a waste of time to date them.

I also can't see myself marrying anyone but a Jew. So...I could have probably found a better example outside of an African American.

I just want to clarify also, that I have nothing against inter-racial or inter-faith relationships/marriages. It just isn't for me. Much like my views on Abortion...but we'll save that for another time!

BTW, that's a very nice simile Yvette. I agree with you! whee

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darkphoenix1247
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 30, 2006 2:26 pm


I think it's quite possible- the two people just really have to care for each other. Yes, it might be a tad more difficult, especially if you don't see each other in person, but that will make it all the more worthwhile in the end. If the relationship honestly lasts all that time, and is still good, then it would most likely work in marriage as well.
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