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 Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:40 am
commissar ibram gaunt then player 3 would disengaging from combat simply move closer to the my own lines of infantry, then player ones next turn came where he move closer to my lines and reenter close combat again, and repeating this The units that do this, do they have hit and run?
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 6:55 am
Vikki Stardust commissar ibram gaunt then player 3 would disengaging from combat simply move closer to the my own lines of infantry, then player ones next turn came where he move closer to my lines and reenter close combat again, and repeating this The units that do this, do they have hit and run? if you mean player 1 and player 2's infantry, it happened all across the battle filed, squads of Cadian shock troops and chaos troops engaging each other on round 3 to prevent me from shooting at them. so no, i don't think so.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:08 am
commissar ibram gaunt Vikki Stardust commissar ibram gaunt then player 3 would disengaging from combat simply move closer to the my own lines of infantry, then player ones next turn came where he move closer to my lines and reenter close combat again, and repeating this The units that do this, do they have hit and run? if you mean player 1 and player 2's infantry, it happened all across the battle filed, squads of Cadian shock troops and chaos troops engaging each other on round 3 to prevent me from shooting at them. so no, i don't think so. You can't break off unless you have hit and run, lose the combat and fail your morale check or can in no way hurt your opponent due to the our weapons are useless rule. So unless I'm missing something here it was all verrrrrry illegal.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:14 am
Vikki Stardust commissar ibram gaunt Vikki Stardust commissar ibram gaunt then player 3 would disengaging from combat simply move closer to the my own lines of infantry, then player ones next turn came where he move closer to my lines and reenter close combat again, and repeating this The units that do this, do they have hit and run? if you mean player 1 and player 2's infantry, it happened all across the battle filed, squads of Cadian shock troops and chaos troops engaging each other on round 3 to prevent me from shooting at them. so no, i don't think so. You can't break off unless you have hit and run, lose the combat and fail your morale check or can in no way hurt your opponent due to the our weapons are useless rule. So unless I'm missing something here it was all verrrrrry illegal. That is what I thought two, so I spent weeks pouring over the rule book, re-reading the codex for the Guard, and briefly skimmed the chaos codex. but i found nothing about it. My frustration level had reached a fever point whine i gave in, went to games work-shop 5 times and never got the answer i was seeking. From then on out, when I hosted a free for all match, I add a house rule, two enemy units in close combat are fair game for shooting at, to prevent them from pulling that stunt again (4 times was more then plenty to see that little tricky stunt get pulled). I don't know though, maybe I am missing something, over looking a rule some where.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:35 am
A better solution would be to just play one on one games
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:18 am
Vikki Stardust A better solution would be to just play one on one games yeah, i guess that could work, but sadly i live in an area with very little to only one person who plays. so for the last 3 years after i moved out to this area i have been trying to find or get some one into the game, but my efforts have been fruitless so far. Every one out here is wanting to play call of duty on xbox live every hour of the day and every day of the week it seems. would love for nothing more then to have a match, this 3 years of ideal-ness has taken its toll on me and I may not know the rules as well. come to think of it, I cant even recall how to shoot at a tank with a tank or a heavy weapon team.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:42 am
Do you guys have copies of the rulebook? It talks about how assaults work, and without "Hit and Run" the only way to leave combat is to wipe out the enemy or force them to fall back via leadership test. You can only voluntarily fail a morale check if you're fighting something you cannot damage. Falling back results in a Sweeping Advance test, which could result in the wipe out of the complete unit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 8:53 am
DarkElf27 Do you guys have copies of the rulebook? It talks about how assaults work, and without "Hit and Run" the only way to leave combat is to wipe out the enemy or force them to fall back via leadership test. You can only voluntarily fail a morale check if you're fighting something you cannot damage. Falling back results in a Sweeping Advance test, which could result in the wipe out of the complete unit. Literally the only thing I have to add to this is that I've been on both the giving and recieving end of the Hit and Run rule, and especially with fast attack units WITH this special rule, it can be Veryyy helpful.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:03 am
DarkElf27 Do you guys have copies of the rulebook? It talks about how assaults work, and without "Hit and Run" the only way to leave combat is to wipe out the enemy or force them to fall back via leadership test. You can only voluntarily fail a morale check if you're fighting something you cannot damage. Falling back results in a Sweeping Advance test, which could result in the wipe out of the complete unit. Again, that is what i first thought, That was my only conclusion, but the ones that have done it, insisted it was legal and in the rules. But never found any thing on it.no special for guardsmen squads, nothing. but I'm not shocked by this. only wondering if i was over looking something. as it happens, i don't have my copy on me today. today is payday so i emptied my bag of all its books to make room for shopping, ill check it out when i get home from work, if you would be so kind as to maybe site me a page number to look at?
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:18 am
commissar ibram gaunt DarkElf27 Do you guys have copies of the rulebook? It talks about how assaults work, and without "Hit and Run" the only way to leave combat is to wipe out the enemy or force them to fall back via leadership test. You can only voluntarily fail a morale check if you're fighting something you cannot damage. Falling back results in a Sweeping Advance test, which could result in the wipe out of the complete unit. Again, that is what i first thought, That was my only conclusion, but the ones that have done it, insisted it was legal and in the rules. But never found any thing on it.no special for guardsmen squads, nothing. but I'm not shocked by this. only wondering if i was over looking something. as it happens, i don't have my copy on me today. today is payday so i emptied my bag of all its books to make room for shopping, ill check it out when i get home from work, if you would be so kind as to maybe site me a page number to look at? Sure, pages 21-31 cover assaults as a whole. 26 talks about ending combat, and 29-31 talk about morale checks and falling back. If your opponents insist on using a rule that doesn't make sense, it's perfectly fine to require them to show you the rule and that it applies to the unit and situation.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 9:26 am
DarkElf27 commissar ibram gaunt DarkElf27 Do you guys have copies of the rulebook? It talks about how assaults work, and without "Hit and Run" the only way to leave combat is to wipe out the enemy or force them to fall back via leadership test. You can only voluntarily fail a morale check if you're fighting something you cannot damage. Falling back results in a Sweeping Advance test, which could result in the wipe out of the complete unit. Again, that is what i first thought, That was my only conclusion, but the ones that have done it, insisted it was legal and in the rules. But never found any thing on it.no special for guardsmen squads, nothing. but I'm not shocked by this. only wondering if i was over looking something. as it happens, i don't have my copy on me today. today is payday so i emptied my bag of all its books to make room for shopping, ill check it out when i get home from work, if you would be so kind as to maybe site me a page number to look at? Sure, pages 21-31 cover assaults as a whole. 26 talks about ending combat, and 29-31 talk about morale checks and falling back. If your opponents insist on using a rule that doesn't make sense, it's perfectly fine to require them to show you the rule and that it applies to the unit and situation. thanks, i will look it up. as for that, they where playing long be for i ever picked it up, they liked to pull the "we got more experience then you so don't question us" thing
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:37 am
Not only they we´re illegally leaving the close combat without the only legal ways of doing so,
my money is on the fact that they abused the "Shooting Into & Out Of CC"
rule with the notion that the rulebook is only build on 1vs1 matches.
Your match was 3vsAll match, "no-shooting" would only apply if YOUR unit
or units from your allied PLAYER is in close combat with targeted unit.
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:58 am
Asmondai Not only they we´re illegally leaving the close combat without the only legal ways of doing so,
my money is on the fact that they abused the "Shooting Into & Out Of CC"
rule with the notion that the rulebook is only build on 1vs1 matches.
Your match was 3vsAll match, "no-shooting" would only apply if YOUR unit
or units from your allied PLAYER is in close combat with targeted unit. maybe they should revamp the rules to make it clearer?
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:02 am
commissar ibram gaunt maybe they should revamp the rules to make it clearer? These rules are barely a year old. sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 11:15 am
Vikki Stardust commissar ibram gaunt maybe they should revamp the rules to make it clearer? These rules are barely a year old. sweatdrop ohhh perhaps i should have stated this, but this incident happened over 5 years ago and its been bugging me ever since. sweatdrop I had a feeling it was illegal but never could get that question answered and now i know it is. and there is a new rule book that is less then a year old? (i have not been in a games work-shop in about 4 and a half years give or take a week) I did buy my rule book off there web site some time last year, might need to check if its current or if i got it before the new rule book came out. by the way, thanks for helping me answer a question about the rules that has been bugging me for the longest time every one.
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