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 Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:31 pm
Just because they specialize in the field doesn't mean they are required to ONLY have that area. They can fight with other stuff too.
Also the way I look at it. They hired 3 people of high caliber who were all missing nin and had names for themselves to generally do the bulk work and the leader is the one with the exceptional ability. I mean do you know how boring it would be to have all the badguys have the same ability. One guy can be like amazingly strong, one person can be quite a dirty fighter, and one can be a genius amazing fighter who is the leader of the trio. IT would be epic, I mean if they wanted to take over a village they would obviously recruit help to help. And those people would thus have high ranks after they take over and would be payed in advance with money aswell so in the end everyone wins. They'd be elite people. One could be level 30 (bulk), one could be level 35 (dirty fighter) , and the last could be level 40 (the genius pretty boy guy)
It would be epic win, and instead of having everyone with the same ability you could have people that people would reconize as amazing missing nin who have quite a name for themselves. The hired help although they are also a part of the operation, working as the 3 dragons of the leader, the elite team, kinda like the ginyu force. Even though the ginyu force in DBZ aren't teh same race as Frieza, they each are different and have different abilities. I mean I'm all in for having a ton of fodder NPC of that clan but when you have a whole war going on with only that set of abilities it might be a little repetitive so I say the three are known as the three dragons and they are elite payed help.
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:41 pm
is the point of this plot to have the Otobe win? because I highly doubt anybody in Oto right now could put up a fight against people like that ninja
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 8:50 pm
Zent0s is the point of this plot to have the Otobe win? because I highly doubt anybody in Oto right now could put up a fight against people like that ninja THE POINT...is for them to win...and then we have people survive/....and when we go back.....we take it over again....but yea....taking it a bit far there :X
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:20 pm
Hayate-senpai Just because they specialize in the field doesn't mean they are required to ONLY have that area. They can fight with other stuff too. Also the way I look at it. They hired 3 people of high caliber who were all missing nin and had names for themselves to generally do the bulk work and the leader is the one with the exceptional ability. I mean do you know how boring it would be to have all the badguys have the same ability. One guy can be like amazingly strong, one person can be quite a dirty fighter, and one can be a genius amazing fighter who is the leader of the trio. IT would be epic, I mean if they wanted to take over a village they would obviously recruit help to help. And those people would thus have high ranks after they take over and would be payed in advance with money aswell so in the end everyone wins. They'd be elite people. One could be level 30 (bulk), one could be level 35 (dirty fighter) , and the last could be level 40 (the genius pretty boy guy) It would be epic win, and instead of having everyone with the same ability you could have people that people would reconize as amazing missing nin who have quite a name for themselves. The hired help although they are also a part of the operation, working as the 3 dragons of the leader, the elite team, kinda like the ginyu force. Even though the ginyu force in DBZ aren't teh same race as Frieza, they each are different and have different abilities. I mean I'm all in for having a ton of fodder NPC of that clan but when you have a whole war going on with only that set of abilities it might be a little repetitive so I say the three are known as the three dragons and they are elite payed help. To be clear though, they aren't technically missing nin. They're clan left the village before any of them was born. The current members have been raised to be an army, a zealot like army from within their own clan, which has now grown to an impressive size.. They don't hire people into their upper echelons because only Otobe are worthy of such things. They've been out of the elemental nations biding their time, hence why they have adapted some more western traditions, such as calling their elite's "knights" even though they still dress in the manner of normal ninja. The three I speak of, in particular, are called the Knights of Forte. So no, you won't be a missing Nin, you'll be a born and bred warrior similar to that of extremist follower of a church, they think this is their holy mission to serve their clan and take their birth right, however, I agree whole heartedly about the fighting differently. While they all use the Clan's skills with sound manipulation, and enhanced senses, each of the knights of Forte should have a specialty beyond that. I like the large Taijutsu earth wielder idea. Someone big and bad a** to really contrast my own person, Senkyo, who's... well, if you're familiar with Chrona from Soul eater, I started with (his?/hers?) personality as a rough start when I built Senkyo's. To point this out though, while Senkyo will use the Clan technique's, he's a sword master by trade, and that's his specialty. So really, once again, you're close Hayate. The three Knights of Forte will quickly get a reputation, because they are going to take Oto almost entirely by themselves, the Clan head dealing with the Otokage. (Though together they could probably beat him to.) They will be loyal, they will be feared, and they will have their own unique identities, Such is their purpose as a sub antagonist hierarchy. You know, like the Arrancar from bleach? Besides, I intend Xenon and Kimiko to eventually be the one's to fight and defeat Senkyo, they're level 27 and 24 right now, but they can do it with a bit more training if they work together. I've built those two up from level 1, I know their limits. Senkyo will be strong, but not enough to beat both of them when the time comes.(Rauban could definitely take one, and I'm sure we could find another collection of fighters to take down the remaining third.) The Leader will of course need to be confronted by a few people of Rauban's level, or another Kage level. I'm still not sure who's going to play the leader...) And anyway, the knights of forte DO have to win the first time around by a wide margin. Making it all the more impressive when they are finally beaten. confused
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:29 am
The Ghost of Xmas Awesome Hayate-senpai Just because they specialize in the field doesn't mean they are required to ONLY have that area. They can fight with other stuff too. Also the way I look at it. They hired 3 people of high caliber who were all missing nin and had names for themselves to generally do the bulk work and the leader is the one with the exceptional ability. I mean do you know how boring it would be to have all the badguys have the same ability. One guy can be like amazingly strong, one person can be quite a dirty fighter, and one can be a genius amazing fighter who is the leader of the trio. IT would be epic, I mean if they wanted to take over a village they would obviously recruit help to help. And those people would thus have high ranks after they take over and would be payed in advance with money aswell so in the end everyone wins. They'd be elite people. One could be level 30 (bulk), one could be level 35 (dirty fighter) , and the last could be level 40 (the genius pretty boy guy) It would be epic win, and instead of having everyone with the same ability you could have people that people would reconize as amazing missing nin who have quite a name for themselves. The hired help although they are also a part of the operation, working as the 3 dragons of the leader, the elite team, kinda like the ginyu force. Even though the ginyu force in DBZ aren't teh same race as Frieza, they each are different and have different abilities. I mean I'm all in for having a ton of fodder NPC of that clan but when you have a whole war going on with only that set of abilities it might be a little repetitive so I say the three are known as the three dragons and they are elite payed help. To be clear though, they aren't technically missing nin. They're clan left the village before any of them was born. The current members have been raised to be an army, a zealot like army from within their own clan, which has now grown to an impressive size.. They don't hire people into their upper echelons because only Otobe are worthy of such things. They've been out of the elemental nations biding their time, hence why they have adapted some more western traditions, such as calling their elite's "knights" even though they still dress in the manner of normal ninja. The three I speak of, in particular, are called the Knights of Forte. So no, you won't be a missing Nin, you'll be a born and bred warrior similar to that of extremist follower of a church, they think this is their holy mission to serve their clan and take their birth right, however, I agree whole heartedly about the fighting differently. While they all use the Clan's skills with sound manipulation, and enhanced senses, each of the knights of Forte should have a specialty beyond that. I like the large Taijutsu earth wielder idea. Someone big and bad a** to really contrast my own person, Senkyo, who's... well, if you're familiar with Chrona from Soul eater, I started with (his?/hers?) personality as a rough start when I built Senkyo's. To point this out though, while Senkyo will use the Clan technique's, he's a sword master by trade, and that's his specialty. So really, once again, you're close Hayate. The three Knights of Forte will quickly get a reputation, because they are going to take Oto almost entirely by themselves, the Clan head dealing with the Otokage. (Though together they could probably beat him to.) They will be loyal, they will be feared, and they will have their own unique identities, Such is their purpose as a sub antagonist hierarchy. You know, like the Arrancar from bleach? Besides, I intend Xenon and Kimiko to eventually be the one's to fight and defeat Senkyo, they're level 27 and 24 right now, but they can do it with a bit more training if they work together. I've built those two up from level 1, I know their limits. Senkyo will be strong, but not enough to beat both of them when the time comes.(Rauban could definitely take one, and I'm sure we could find another collection of fighters to take down the remaining third.) The Leader will of course need to be confronted by a few people of Rauban's level, or another Kage level. I'm still not sure who's going to play the leader...) And anyway, the knights of forte DO have to win the first time around by a wide margin. Making it all the more impressive when they are finally beaten. confused Raubahns like..40 atm....but he'll prolly be much higher when i finish with the time skip story training and the such...shisui,shif,and shikaree are all mostly prolly gunna get a big boost from it also.depending on what i have them do on their long voyage to the land of serpents and their eventual hasty escape from said laind (cause.the Anzan are absoloutly FORBIDDEN to venture into the land of serpents because of their banishment eons ago...but meh.....some character developement and some clan history will unfoldeth in this epic! Edit: it would be epic to see Raubahns low will save actually do some good ninja causeAzure Borealis needs a will save check against the castor crying And the Anzan arent exactly the Wisdom god children of the earth crying
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:47 pm
I generally hate playing the strong bulky guy. Anyway, who else can their be on their trio. Like what would be the other characteristics of other characters. Like what will be the other two. I say there is a superior one out of the three though, and he stands in the middle of the three whenever all 3 are mentioned. Then there is two others, bulky guy and the other guy.
So what are all the options for characters, as long as I'm the taijutsu bulk guy then I'm fine.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Hm, neutral Well, technically, I suppose Senkyo would be the most dramatic to have as the strongest. He's already shown up as a bit of a Cameo in my time skip, and in that was established as a bit of bad a**. His schtick if you will, is that he has almost no self confidence and is always very self berating and apologetic, uncertain of himself....until he actually feels genuinely threatened, or it comes to the clan's business, in which case he becomes a bit more like a jaded, taciturn human weapon, that while he doesn't like killing people, won't hesitate to do so, nor think much of it.
He's feared even amongst the clan because of his skills at the age of 19, but he's also feared because many think him unhinged and a time bomb waiting to go off. Which while untrue, the point is that many in the clan regard him as more a monster then a man, an Otobe monster and hence worthy of respect, but even so. Nick named the Black Sonata, which is a slight pun on his full name Senkyoku:Chosen Song, and the fact he wields a large black Dai katana.
Thing about Senkyo is I made him to be one of lesser two of the three, at most second strongest, one who takes orders and is also slighted for comic relief while still being very menacing when the need comes.
What's your person like El?
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:06 pm
Ohh, that guy is already one of the three. Damn that complicates the trio then. I mean I was thinking there would be someone like that in second in command. And then the leader would be along the lines of a calculative and coldhearted sonofabit*h. He would be more along the lines of a genius who is extremily confident in his own abilities.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:17 pm
eek .... Hm. So, like my person Xen and his arch nemesis Kyojin Kotei (Kyojin being a bit more cold hearted). They are BOTH like that in their own way, though Kyojin is a bit more mad hatter. But Xen is a good guy...well...okay, he's on the good side would be more accurate. I actually play that kind debonair cunning genius quite often...and hence my first and currently main Pc, Xen, is such a person.
Man, now I wish Kyojin could magically come back as an Otobe. I miss writing for him since I had him disappear in my time skip "Chi chi chi chi chi." xd That creepy b*****d..
I suppose though, if we had to, we could make a sort of second in command under the leader, to whom the knights are under the authority of, maybe the Clan leader's son like Cheer's knight was originally going to be. He could, if we wanted, be a more credible threat than the clan leader, and more long term oriented rather than obsessed with the clan's ideals.
Then like you said, a sort of Xanatos like egoist, who is pragmatic, cunning, charismatic, and more than able to back it up. There's still who would play him though. If we;'re going to have him be the greater threat, we could have HIM be the Kage level character who defeats Kasuke, where as the father is weaker, and will die later on in a coup.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:47 pm
We could have the dad have a special ability. After he put his ability into the plan and di his part, the son and his men can kill them. The way I look at it, it could be the son and the 3 elite you were talking about, thus making 5 of importance. One being the dad who is killed off by the son and the 3. If it is like that you could be the main of the 3 and then there is the son. Kinda like how the 3 raijin of Laxus is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlCAU7avhk0Which brings me back to the point at hand. What if they were 3 who worked for the son, and thus they can all be out of clan people while the son is the only one IN the clan. They can be the elite guard of the son. They are completely unknown by the king. I mean the king knows how successful the son is but he kinda ignores the fact since the son is with him. Then at the last moment the dad is like "good job son" and then the 3 pop in and the son is like "thanks for doing your part but your no longer neccessary." Maybe we can make it that the king is neccessary for the end result to end up that way, like he does something the prince can't do even if the prince is really stronger. I mean the prince isn't that idealistic and is more along the lines of: "I want the secret scroll that Orochimaru left behind about immortality." or something.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:19 pm
Hmm... confused Here's an idea. It'll be all the more interesting if they aren't yet completely in the son's pocket. The Father might already not trust the son, but he thinks the knights of Forte' serve him, while the son is so charismatic he's one by one influenced them to his side. Then, when Kasuke is beaten, the Prince, rather than needing the father, could have killed him at any time and just waits until it's best for his PR as the new clan leader. He could want power, and to take over more than just Oto, while his father might not be so bad.
Here's what I'm thinking, at the pinacle of the Otobe's invasion, the Three knights and the son and the father stand alone at the heart of Oto, and the father is congratulating the son. But the son just gives a smirk. "Not quite father...there's still one more casualty in this war..." he turned his head slightly. "Kill him." Three attacks hit the elder before he knows what's going on.
"Y-you...b-but..."
"Sorry father," he says with subtle smirk "but I fear that you must die here before you become a hindrance...don't worry though...I'll grant your wish." The father is sinking to the floor as he dies. "The Otobe shall know how you died honorably in battle...struck down just as we were about to claim victory...and our clan will rule Oto, we will have the scroll of the first Otokage..." his smirk spreads wide. "That is to say...I will. MUAHAHAH-" *Lelouche laugh*
"You'll burn...in hell!" the father says as he dies.
"No father...I don't plan to ever see hell...or heaven for that matter."
----that more what you're thinking? confused
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:53 pm
Ekk, glory daze is an amazing show. It's on right now, it's the episode that was on tuesday that I missed xP
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Maybe the 3 are with him but the whole of the army aren't. I'm still finding it weird that one clan can take the village, the Uchiha clan were no match against the village in reality. I mean the anbu alone have more members than a whole clan.
I just don't see how possibly they could win, now on the other hand. What if they hired a mercenary group to help confront the village, I mean I can see a clan beating them if they get the side of a group.
NOOOOOOOOOO, I got the most BEAUTIFUL idea ever.
There is the clan and then there is a other group. The group was tasked with generally USING the king to take over the whole village. They are a serious enemy and the prince is also a member. That's where they got the opportunity to get members in. The the prince and the 3 men are all in that group, they from the very beginning just wanted to use the clan to get power. After they take over the prince is tasked with keeping the village but really the group is in charge, the leader of that group to be specific. But he doesn't stand around since he couldn't just step in, the prince has the face and is the son of the leader who was killed by the 4. But just for some cool visual effect, we can have it where the king is stabbed and he looks around to see a group of unique people coming from all directions, the badguys, the leader standing beside the prince. "Ohh hey, you really know how to raise them don't you."
King: "You b*****d. So you were the people behind this after all."
The leader will then chuckle and then the group will then vanish into the darkness again and away.
This doesn't mean there are people in this arc, this means that when the prince dies he will reveal information on that group and that will lead into another arc that the last one led into.
So really the arc will consist of the king who has the clan. The prince and 3 people from the group he's in who are using the king from day one to generally get control of both the village AND the clan.
I't's not an Akatsuki kinda thing, there are some strong people but it's more manipulative and stuff. It is more political and stuff than most groups and it is lowre leveled even if they are strong.
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:56 pm
qyp
if you're online and not too busy, wanna grade my most recent kumo training ^__^
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:31 pm
Hm...I like it. In fact...I think I'd want Kyojin as a member of the group. He and his twin followers vanished after Shi no Saakasu's defeat, but he was only ever with them because it was interesting. He could have been recruited by this organization, or have been with them the whole time, but if we were to do something this large, then we'd need...Qyp's permission I guess? Seeing as it would be a major force in events.
Hmm... but what would be the goal of such a group...AH! A World were ninja's rule! Think about it! Right now tensions between ninja's and civilians are high, and Ninja's, while powerful, have only ever been tools for the Daimyo's, servants of master's they could easily crush. The Otobe could be prime pawns in this war, hence why the elder's son was recruited.
And about the Otobe. The Uchiha, while large, did not all possess the Sharingan, that isn;t so for the Otobe's bloodline, not to mention that Oto is now weak and suffering a Shinobi shortage, as opposed to Kohnoha which unlike now was at the height of it's power and the most dangerous hidden village at the time. Besides that the Otobe have been planning for this. They've many more side branch houses and have been breeding themselves to be an army, focusing entirely upon strength above almost all. Unlike the Uchiha who, while powerful, were decadent, and complacent, thirsting for power, the Otobe are fascist Zealot's who believe themselves the superior race to guide the world. They're like Crusading Spartan Nazi's, believing their manifest destiny is to rule Oto. Trust me, they'd win this battle easily. Particularly with People level 40 hanging around.
It is assumed in canon now that ANBU are not by default stronger than Jounin, they are merely a special corp of elites ranging from High Chuunin up who serve directly under the Kage. Besides, *Spoilers* The Uchiha were defeated by Itachi and Madara, so who knows how their coup might have gone...well I mean, personally I agree with you, they would've gotten owned hard, but that's just our opinion. xd
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUiZagvIMVw1:20 Sure that was a filler battle but the thing is, what proof do you have that they aren't all that? They were caught off guard from the sound 4, so what, they were in midair and were caught by a web. They didn't get beat, the sound 4 ran. I mean Sasori who was BY FAR superior to Kankuro with puppetry, Sasori's fingers being blurrs to Sakura's visioin, Kankuro having regular speed handmovements. Now then, it was because in Naruto that if you are caught off guard, it doesn't matter how strong you are. It's safe to assume that Itachi wasn't the strongest anbu of all time, anbu captains include people like Itachi and Yamato. It's just that the anbu haven't gone that into detail, root might have weaker people than tsunade's anbu. That would obviously be the truth considering it's the hokage against a respected yet not hokage person. No anbu has even been in a serious fight in the actual manga. But yeah, you can't judge their abilities, they could very well be amazing gods of shinobi. "The shinobi in the ANBU are hand-picked by the Kage; chosen for their individual capabilities and special skills" It goes on to say that rank bears no importance, this doesn't mean the top of the chunin are good enough. It means people like Naruto would be able to become an anbu. I mean considered they take on S-Ranked missions and all. There are anbu jounin so of course they aren't better than themselves. It just means that Asuma, Kurenai, Kakashi, Guy, and so on are all probally anbu along with other high leveled people. Well maybe not Guy because why would the hokage trust him to stay low key xP Random Anbu: "THE POWER OF YOUTH!!!!!" "DYANAMIC ENTRY!!!!!" Anyway, the goal can be to generally just churn up hell while they keep as much power as possible. After everyone kills eachother, they make their move and take over. That would explain why they are siding with all these people, to make them kill eachother, both sides, while they are off and safe and actually gaining people. I'm not sure about the story of this guild so far but I'd say it would be better to already be in this group. It makes the group have more importance, or it would just seem like the next thing to fill his interest and not a serious group they are in. It is a serious group. Who is Shi no Saakasu? Anyway, the Uchiha even without the sharingan were really strong. Itachi wasn't strong enough to deal with them and although Pain was stronger than Itachi, Itachi could still stur up the village if he wanted to do a battle to the death using susanoo. Which he DID have, and he still admitted he wasn't strong enough to take on the Uchiha clan, he STILL needed Madara. If they wanted to deal with the daimyo of the lands, they would be doing this among them and not the ninja. As you said the ninja are stronger, so if they can weaken the ninja then they can have a full takeover of the land.
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