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 Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 7:28 pm
I much prefer the saddle shaped universe. IE, collapsing in on itself.
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Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 9:02 pm
Beware the Jabberwock I.Am divineseraph honestly, i don't think the universe CAN be infinite... i mean, for the sake of not being able to count high enough to put it's size into numbers, yeah. but it mathematically can't be infinite- if it is, then all matter in it must be equal to nothing as to make up 0% of the universe- if any ammount, trillions upon trillions of galaxies make up even .00000000000001% or any percent, percieveable or non, that means that there will eventually be reachead a 100% and thus an end. it may be too big to measure or concieve, but it must end to exist. What would be at the end, though? What would keep the universe from continuing to just go on? A wall? The problem with your statement is that you are thinking of the universe as a collection of matter; There doesn't have to be matter for there to be a universe. It could just continue on forever with nothingness. It seems a lot more plausable, to me, then that there's some end to the universe. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:23 am
I.Am Beware the Jabberwock I.Am divineseraph honestly, i don't think the universe CAN be infinite... i mean, for the sake of not being able to count high enough to put it's size into numbers, yeah. but it mathematically can't be infinite- if it is, then all matter in it must be equal to nothing as to make up 0% of the universe- if any ammount, trillions upon trillions of galaxies make up even .00000000000001% or any percent, percieveable or non, that means that there will eventually be reachead a 100% and thus an end. it may be too big to measure or concieve, but it must end to exist. What would be at the end, though? What would keep the universe from continuing to just go on? A wall? The problem with your statement is that you are thinking of the universe as a collection of matter; There doesn't have to be matter for there to be a universe. It could just continue on forever with nothingness. It seems a lot more plausable, to me, then that there's some end to the universe. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding I thought neutrinos did that. Or the prophets. Or bad luck.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:31 am
lymelady I.Am Beware the Jabberwock I.Am divineseraph honestly, i don't think the universe CAN be infinite... i mean, for the sake of not being able to count high enough to put it's size into numbers, yeah. but it mathematically can't be infinite- if it is, then all matter in it must be equal to nothing as to make up 0% of the universe- if any ammount, trillions upon trillions of galaxies make up even .00000000000001% or any percent, percieveable or non, that means that there will eventually be reachead a 100% and thus an end. it may be too big to measure or concieve, but it must end to exist. What would be at the end, though? What would keep the universe from continuing to just go on? A wall? The problem with your statement is that you are thinking of the universe as a collection of matter; There doesn't have to be matter for there to be a universe. It could just continue on forever with nothingness. It seems a lot more plausable, to me, then that there's some end to the universe. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding I thought neutrinos did that. Or the prophets. Or bad luck. Ha, well, I mean that it allows for wormholes in that it allows a hole to be punched from one side of the ball to the other, a straight line being the shortest distance between two points. wink I'm sure there's other ways wormholes could be allowed in other universe forms... But they require a bit more logical twisting. sweatdrop
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:32 am
Also, I like to stammer on and sound like I know what I'm talking about even though wormholes aren't exactly my expertise. xp
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:48 am
Akshamala I think it was a mistake of me to take a peek in the pro-choice guild.
What is wrong with these people? What's wrong with YOU? You're anti-choice and want to strip us all of our rights! You even want to strip yourself of rights! You think we shouldn't be able to kill our children for existing! Monster!
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:37 am
Master Kaiser Once I saw her say it I had to quote it, which was in the pro-choice guild. Just saying, this is one of the 'higher-ups' as they like to call them, yeah.... And really I don't care if I get banned in that guild, I'm sick of seeing their s**t. *hugs* You okay?
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:53 am
They are violent, a lot... the ones in that guild. Maybe what we need is a subject change?
I think the people who design codes and things should fix those P's, when you italicize them the stem dissapears and it's annoying.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:12 pm
I.Am Beware the Jabberwock I.Am divineseraph honestly, i don't think the universe CAN be infinite... i mean, for the sake of not being able to count high enough to put it's size into numbers, yeah. but it mathematically can't be infinite- if it is, then all matter in it must be equal to nothing as to make up 0% of the universe- if any ammount, trillions upon trillions of galaxies make up even .00000000000001% or any percent, percieveable or non, that means that there will eventually be reachead a 100% and thus an end. it may be too big to measure or concieve, but it must end to exist. What would be at the end, though? What would keep the universe from continuing to just go on? A wall? The problem with your statement is that you are thinking of the universe as a collection of matter; There doesn't have to be matter for there to be a universe. It could just continue on forever with nothingness. It seems a lot more plausable, to me, then that there's some end to the universe. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding even then there would be a finite ammount of matter- though you WOULD never be able to leave that space. it's like a racetrack- you can measure a racetrack. but if you follow it arround, you'll end up where you began. that doesn't make it infinite, that makes it a loop. and as for pyro's theory- nothingness would be the end. the end would be what wasn't taken up by matter, which is nothing- nonexistant. it wouldn't be a wall, really... but likely more of a gradual decay of matter until there is none... like a fart- it is concentrated in the center, but the smell difuses and weakens further out until there is nothing left of it. at least, that's what would make sense. or, it could just be a contrast between what exists and what doesn't... it would probably be inconcieveable if so, because it just doesn't exist. it's not just clear, like air. it's not even air, it's nothing. it's not even a vaccum, it's less than that. nor is it nor does it contain light.it would be impossible to represent, zero wouldn't really cut it, as it would exist less than the concept of zero. trippy.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 12:15 pm
Well but that doesn't mean you couldn't travel into it. And as soon as you've traveled into the nothing, there's something there, so I'd say it's still part of the universe.
Of course the amount of matter is finite, I wouldn't argue that. But I would argue that the nothingness is still part of the universe.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 2:46 pm
I.Am lymelady I.Am Beware the Jabberwock I.Am divineseraph honestly, i don't think the universe CAN be infinite... i mean, for the sake of not being able to count high enough to put it's size into numbers, yeah. but it mathematically can't be infinite- if it is, then all matter in it must be equal to nothing as to make up 0% of the universe- if any ammount, trillions upon trillions of galaxies make up even .00000000000001% or any percent, percieveable or non, that means that there will eventually be reachead a 100% and thus an end. it may be too big to measure or concieve, but it must end to exist. What would be at the end, though? What would keep the universe from continuing to just go on? A wall? The problem with your statement is that you are thinking of the universe as a collection of matter; There doesn't have to be matter for there to be a universe. It could just continue on forever with nothingness. It seems a lot more plausable, to me, then that there's some end to the universe. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding I thought neutrinos did that. Or the prophets. Or bad luck. Ha, well, I mean that it allows for wormholes in that it allows a hole to be punched from one side of the ball to the other, a straight line being the shortest distance between two points. wink I'm sure there's other ways wormholes could be allowed in other universe forms... But they require a bit more logical twisting. sweatdrop Thats not a straigh tline dude. A worm hoel would basickly be linking to point toghther in a warped space of time. IE, a worm hoel would bend spacer an time to make point A and point B become point 0
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 3:43 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle I.Am lymelady I.Am Beware the Jabberwock The main theory now is that the universe is ball shaped, but constantly expanding. So if you were to go straight you'd eventually end up where you started. Ah yes, that would be a theory as well. I forgot about that one. sweatdrop I like that one too, it allows for wormholes. 3nodding I thought neutrinos did that. Or the prophets. Or bad luck. Ha, well, I mean that it allows for wormholes in that it allows a hole to be punched from one side of the ball to the other, a straight line being the shortest distance between two points. wink I'm sure there's other ways wormholes could be allowed in other universe forms... But they require a bit more logical twisting. sweatdrop Thats not a straigh tline dude. A worm hoel would basickly be linking to point toghther in a warped space of time. IE, a worm hoel would bend spacer an time to make point A and point B become point 0 That would be the way it would have to be if the universe is a -plane,- but if a universe is a -ball-, a wormhole is a straight line through the ball.
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:15 pm
Okay covering all matters, pun meant.
Lyme, hell ya I'm fine. I was laughing when I posted that, because the pure hypocricy of the statement made me choke on my lemonade. These people support intelligence and open-mindedness.... yeah.... right. xd
Naw, I'm fine, just pointing out something that needs to be seen.
Oh and about matter and the universe... matter is finite, yet the universe is not, since as you say, how can there be an end to it in anyway shape or form. Unless it is a sphere that connects to itself, like the edges are one big wormhole. Meaning that there are boundaries, except that you can move around without limits, but you have boundaries.
It's like pac-man, except 4-D. And a wormhole is well... lets make space a flat plain, now fold the plain and its like going through space like that.
But seriously, think about it, can the universe have a stopping point?
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Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 5:46 pm
Master Kaiser Lyme, hell ya I'm fine. I was laughing when I posted that, because the pure hypocricy of the statement made me choke on my lemonade. These people support intelligence and open-mindedness.... yeah.... right. xd Naw, I'm fine, just pointing out something that needs to be seen.
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Posted: Wed May 24, 2006 1:46 am
Lorysa Master Kaiser Lyme, hell ya I'm fine. I was laughing when I posted that, because the pure hypocricy of the statement made me choke on my lemonade. These people support intelligence and open-mindedness.... yeah.... right. xd Naw, I'm fine, just pointing out something that needs to be seen. Exactly. If I stop seeing through their eyes, then all I know is that they support the slaughter of thousands of people each day. Maybe I'm just crazy for thinking if I can put that aside, other people should be able to put their prejudices aside. Gah. Anyway, isn't a circle infinite? So wouldn't a loop be infinite? It'd have no ending point and no beginning point, like a line.
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