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mmmm... i like the idea, but that isnt too much?
and any idea how thatd work?
like, would they have to move higher of 2d6 (like difficult terrain) because theyre burrowing? how could i "hide" their position from my opponent, cuz if i just move the unit, with a marker, that'd defeat the purpose of a suprize attack wouldnt it?
and if i just took a single token, they'd ask what it is... and i think, legally, id have to tell, else they'll refuse my turn, make me destroy my kroot, or reset them at table edge or something

there is a cap at BS:5 crying crying crying

they're your special rule set up, if they agree to the game they agree to the terms of which you set your rules up for the mission.

Difference here being that combat squads is something you can see coming, not necessarily in that particular game, but it's a rule in the Space Marine codex and if you've ever played against Marines before, or even just picked up their codex, then you know they have that capability, and can at least anticipate its use in game. You spring this unit on an unsuspecting opponent and be he veteran or greenhorn, he will never know what the capabilities of the unit are until you tell him, and frankly, at that point if I was playing against someone who sprang something like this on me, I'd start claiming 2+ re-rollable bounce saves.


If you're using homebrew rules, you do in fact, have to discuss them with your opponent. Seeing as they're not even tangentially official the way Forgeworld units are, he has the right to hear them out and decide if something like that would be fair to play against. You can't all of a sudden spring on a guy in the middle of the game that your special ambush Kroot come out of nowhere. What are you going to respond with when he asks to see their entry in your codex? "They're not in the codex, I made them up."



1) That's why you discuss it before the game, introduce it with "Do you mind if I playtest/play with a homebrew unit? It costs X, does ABC, an takes a (blank) slot." After the game discuss if he thought they were fairly priced and powered.

2) No, there's no cap on Targetting Arrays. Not that it's particularly helpful; only one model in the army can get BS6, and it's not worth the hardpoint slot for the shots it will save.



When building homebrew units, it always causes less bad blood if you borrow rules from other armies rather than building your rules from scratch. If you insist on inventing your own rules, keep them simple. In this case, I think the ambush rules from Codex Catachan or the Lictor Deepstrike assault rules would work best.

they are highly annoying against small elite armies like marines.

Vespid are a funny case of "give us something new that isn't human and can hurt marines".

Funny enough nobody wants them as they are either too ugly, too weak or too niche. A bit like with the Forge World Mukaali riders, some people are just too hard to please!

I advise against it. I find Vespid entirely lacking. They're speedy, and they've got a decent punch, but they have little rules synergy. Vespid are supposed to be a rapid response unit that flits around and annihilates 3+ save enemies right? They've got a AP3 gun, and Jump Pack movement WITH Fleet to this end. The high movement compensating for the abysmally low range on their guns.

Great, but this is where it stops looking good and all falls apart. The Guns are only Assault 1. So you need a stupid number of Vespid to wipe a Marine unit. 10 Vespid put out 10 shots, 5 hits, 3.33 wounds on a Marine Squad, assuming they aren't in cover. The return fire from the depleted Marine Squad will put out a probable 14 shots, 9.32 hits, 4.66 wounds. Against the sort of enemy they are purportedly supposed to fight, the Vespids give up more points than they take down even when they're hitting first. If firing at a more dangerous Assault Squad, they take down the same number, and then get beat in the face as they get assaulted and crumple with their 5+ armor.

They're a glass cannon that has too much glass and not enough cannon. They get my vote for the worst unit in the codex, outstripping the Krootox by a wide margin.