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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:45 pm
King Bug count_zantara King Bug Tres was against an abnormally short spear for the first third of the fight. Then it pretty much transitioned to him being against a gladius. At least, a broad-bladed shortsword that was abnormally heavy. Vintrict might have meant the rapier vs shortsword part. *winces in pain* Well...damn. Yeah, if he was talking about that then yeah, he'd have a point. You couldn't get much worse than a rapier to go up against one of those. The power you can put behind a gladius against the precision of a rapier? I mean yes, the rapier could win...as long as he made damn sure not to let you get off a straight slash or chop that he couldn't dodge or deflect with the minimum of force. He'd have to keep his temper completely in check and basically play with you until you over-extended and then went in for a stab. But the minute he made a mistake, your looking at a shattered sword in your hand and a foot of steel in your chest. Yeah. It's a 10lbs sword that can chop through anything, so it had a pretty easy time with the rapier. Made even easier by the fact that it was a straight downwards chop on the rapier because it was stuck in the kid's chest. I don't want to like... assign fault or pick at the fight. It was really good and Sieg is one of the best opponents you could hope to have in this thing. I know my side of the fight wasn't perfect, and he afforded me a couple of thing he didn't have to. That went both ways though I think, which built a better scene overall. *rubs back of head* Yeaaahhhhh.... When your dealing with a rapier and trying to take someone out, your best bet is go for the vitals if you can, quick in and out stab. Maybe if you can get a stab in the neck a twist out to the side, hopefully slicing the jugular vein on the way out. But a hit to the center mass? That'd work if you were doing a bout and were scoring hits. But a rapier blade is too damn thin to do much damage even if it doesn't get stuck on a rib in the way in.Yes a stab in the heart is gonna ******** you up and is fatal, but not an instant death that you'd be looking for. A rapier is good for slowly destroying a foe. Tendons, shallow wounds, a stab in the lungs perhaps. Not so much for finishing moves. I actually really have to re-read your two's fight when the thread opens back up. I've seen you two go at it over the years with others. Even if he didn't get the weapon, it'll probably be one of the best fights this year.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:47 pm
Tresondros v. Dithikar is going to be ridiculous.
That match up makes me all tingly inside.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:04 pm
Tresondros Ecstuffuan Crystal is what it looks like on a superficial level. However its not crystal as we understand it in reality. Technically it is astral material held into our reality by psionic energy. The same stuff that Astral Constructs are made of. Tres's arm is usually really smooth however depending on his mood, it can become more jagged and crystalline. but I'd like to hear more on your ideas about morphic materials. Ahhh.... like I thought. *nods* That invalidates my arguement entirely. But that was to be expected. We are talking about you here. As to Morphic materials... s**t where do I start? The number one problem I have with them is the energy issue. Your transforming a material from one state into another. Take a look at a Melting temperature table for ANY metal besides Mercury. You have to get it up to at least 400 degrees F before any of them really change state, sometimes up into the low thousands up into the low THREE thousands. I leave out Mercury because it's the Devils Metal... that s**t is wack Bro. To change the state of a metal, you have to expend one s**t ton of energy. Lets say your entire arm is made from Astral Crystal. Which has the strength of highgrade steel but the flexibility of processed rubber. You want to have some clue of exactly how much Astral energy you'd have to be using to change that form from soft to hard and move it all over your body? 1 calorie will raise the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius. So looking at an EXTREMELY rough idea of the math. The standard arm weighs about 3.216kg give or take 0.464kg. Take that and say multiply it by just 400 degrees.Extreme Low end of changing the state of a metal. If it was actually made of even Brass you'd have to raise it's temperature into the mid 900-1000 degree's celius. That's not enough enough to melt ******** Zinc. So your looking at least having to burn through 1200 "Astral" calories just to change it's state. How many bloody times you think you could do that s**t and survive?
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:10 pm
I apologize for the math, but I'm doing these numbers on a napkin and just roughing my way through it.
It's one of my major issues with people who go for realism in their character but still use Morphic materials.
At the very least, that s**t should be putting off so much damn heat your going to need some form of coolant to keep it working.
At the worst, you use it a few dozen times in a fight and it has eaten all of your powers away and your a ******** husk standing in the middle of the ring waiting for a stiff wind to blow you down.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:13 pm
Oh wait...Kcals are what they measure food in. So you'd have to change the math slightly.
1 Kcal will raise the temperature of 1 KG of water 1 degree.
Not so much the math, but the correct symbols.
I apologize.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:14 pm
count_zantara But that was to be expected. We are talking about you here. Dawww... redface You are too sweet. I'm sure there are plenty of mechanical holes in Tres's abilities and things that don't quite make sense even on a fictional metaphysical level. count_Zantary As to Morphic materials... s**t where do I start? The number one problem I have with them is the energy issue. Your transforming a material from one state into another. Take a look at a Melting temperature table for ANY metal besides Mercury. You have to get it up to at least 400 degrees F before any of them really change state, sometimes up into the low thousands up into the low THREE thousands. I leave out Mercury because it's the Devils Metal... that s**t is wack Bro. To change the state of a metal, you have to expend one s**t ton of energy. Lets say your entire arm is made from Astral Crystal. Which has the strength of highgrade steel but the flexibility of processed rubber. You want to have some clue of exactly how much Astral energy you'd have to be using to change that form from soft to hard and move it all over your body? 1 calorie will raise the temperature of 1 gram of water 1 degree Celsius. So looking at an EXTREMELY rough idea of the math. The standard arm weighs about 3.216kg give or take 0.464kg. Take that and say multiply it by just 400 degrees.Extreme Low end of changing the state of a metal. If it was actually made of even Brass you'd have to raise it's temperature into the mid 900-1000 degree's celius. That's not enough enough to melt ******** Zinc. So your looking at least having to burn through 1200 "Astral" calories just to change it's state. How many bloody times you think you could do that s**t and survive? In the GTB not much? Tres got his nuts cut off for this ******** tournaments lol. If Tres wanted to make the equivalent of a sledgehammer it would take nearly half of his power points to do so. If Tres drops below a fifth of his total pp for the GTB (6 or lower) then he instantly goes into 'last minute of the 5th round of the championship fight + 6 shots of gin level of exhaustion and lack of coordination'. The arm in particular is different from an object formed via Tres's abilities. Tres's arm is only about as hard as a slab of stone along areas where it is rigid rather than flexible. If you look at Deitric and Tres's fight right now, Deitric was just knocking off pieces of Tres's left arm with relatively light strikes. The biggest advantage of the left arm is that while Tres has a serious weak spot in the core of his forearm, the arm doesn't lose functionality as its damaged. Storyline Tres or the Tres that I use outside tournaments, Tres is a bit stronger. He could make a standard long sword that exist for two post (roughly 12 to 30 seconds) for about 4 power points out of a total of 50. However thats a relatively boring and wasteful use of Tres's abilities. Its easy to look at Tres's profile and think "oh s**t this guy is OP" but in my opinion... Tres is underpowered as ******** and I can explain why.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:19 pm
Another thing about the way Tres's abilities work, is that...Tres's own mental energy is inherent in the formation of those astral constructs. Those materials are held together and in existence by Tres's imagination. The astral material merely forms the volume of what is essentially a mesh made up of mental energy. So that why its so easy for him to shape that particular material, as an metacreative psion. Tres's body has mutations that support his psionic power. Tres's body processes metabolic energy more efficiently than a human beings to form the pool of psionic energy within his mind that he uses to manifest psionic ability. Tres's metacreative abilities in particular are strengthened by Tres's psychological delusion. Often times, rather than accepting Tres's reality he lies to himself to maintain his ego...which also has an effect on his abilities but his ego is mainly what lies at the core of his psychometabolic abilities. Its the reason why Tres's self confidence is tied directly to his health.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:21 pm
That's waaaay too much thinking and math for RP. If you can't suspend your disbelief... ********, man. I recommend you don't RP.
So long as an ability is relatively balanced, or at the very least not OP for the standards of the tournament... there's no need to let too much realism get in the way.
As for the issue of a rapier vs. a heavy shortsword (I'm assuming one-handed), I think I'd go rapier. I mean, a 10 lbs *short sword*. And I dunno if KB's kid character has unnatural strength, because if not that's hella cumbersome. Rapier does not need to block or deflect, but simply stay out of the way of the shortsword and threaten the kid. Easy enough.
The kid would need to be very skilled to make it work, or the rapier-user very not skilled. In my opinion.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:22 pm
Oh I'm sure there are. But does that mean that I'm going to nitpick through yours or anyones profile to point them out? And you've kinda just proven my bloody point about Morphic materials. You had no clue about the math, probably some vague idea on the energy usage... but mainly you handicapped yourself because it MADE DAMN GOOD ROLEPLAYING. That it offers your character a bit of realism is secondary to the discussion. You are one of the very very few who use Morphic materials in a fashion that is at least believable on a basic level. It's actually kind of scary, in it's own way. Anyone else would play Tres to his strengths and damn the consequences. I admire you in that respect at least.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:28 pm
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:29 pm
Tresondros Ecstuffuan Another thing about the way Tres's abilities work, is that...Tres's own mental energy is inherent in the formation of those astral constructs. Those materials are held together and in existence by Tres's imagination. The astral material merely forms the volume of what is essentially a mesh made up of mental energy. So that why its so easy for him to shape that particular material, as an metacreative psion. Tres's body has mutations that support his psionic power. Tres's body processes metabolic energy more efficiently than a human beings to form the pool of psionic energy within his mind that he uses to manifest psionic ability. Tres's metacreative abilities in particular are strengthened by Tres's psychological delusion. Often times, rather than accepting Tres's reality he lies to himself to maintain his ego...which also has an effect on his abilities but his ego is mainly what lies at the core of his psychometabolic abilities. Its the reason why Tres's self confidence is tied directly to his health. .... Alright you can stop proving my point now. I've really got to remember not to stroke your ego so much. In any matter, I use a variation of Tres' psychological delusion myself for Zantara. Except in Zantara's case it's taken to a bit more of an extreme. He has basically a constant Iron Mind in place because of his Sense of Self. He believes only what his senses can tell him all combined. He can not be changed in form except by God-like or artifact level powers against his will. He can not be phased by illusions unless they are perfect in all senses. If he doesn't believe that a sword will wound him, his very body will fight against that reality hardening his scales. At his peak, he could walk through flames and not get burned by the sheer power of his belief. He believes in one thing and one thing only.... that HE is himself and only he can change that. He's nowhere near that these days because of IC plot growth, but it is canon.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:29 pm
count_zantara You are one of the very very few who use Morphic materials in a fashion that is at least believable on a basic level. It's actually kind of scary, in it's own way. Anyone else would play Tres to his strengths and damn the consequences. I admire you in that respect at least. Yeah people tell me all the time Tres's abilities can be abused. They know something I don't because I have no idea on how exactly you would do it. I entered Tres in a barton town RP recently and the owner (who I had a positive and decent conversation) thought Tres was kind of powerful. His argument was that, despite the fact that individually Tres's psionic powers are very tame. He has a lot of them and I know how to use them effectively. His character did this thing where he sent a shockwave through the ground to launch tres into the air, and So Tres used this guy: Brace [Psychometabolism]
[Immediate - 2 points]
This ability allows Tres to briefly charge his body with psychic energy while visualizing a mountain to literally anchor himself to a surface. This technique often helps Tres to defend against a sudden force threatening to knock him prone. However, this technique if misused can actually increase the amount of damage Tres takes from an attack by preventing Tres from rolling with the blow. To use this technique Tres quickly assumes a stance with a low center of gravity. After using this technique and until he changes his position he becomes nearly immovable like the mountain he visualizes preventing him from being knocked on the ground. Despite making himself immovable he does not prevent himself from being damaged in any way.
Outside of that particular circumstance. I think this is a terrible power lol. but I love it, because when I finally do find a use for it I'm like "OH SNAP" and I really try to play it up in my RP.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:34 pm
Also, armor. If the kid had good armor, that would edge it in his favor. Dunno. Didn't read fight.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:35 pm
Ah you are potentially looking at the wrong form of morphic materials.
I was thinking about liquid metals at room temprature that react to an electric current by taking a solid physical shape.
Astral or ectoplasmic material is super sensitive to psionic power. In theory if he had to manipulate it in the way you are suggesting, then yeah you are right it would take a ton of energy.
But some materials are more receptive than others especially with regards to the energy needed to make them do something like changing shape.
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:36 pm
count_zantara .... I like you. Can I steal you away from your wife and like...pick your brain for days? *nods slowly* I'm almost positive she won't mind. What do you want to pick my mind about?
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