KirbytheChef
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I've seen less than 1 in 10 Naruto episodes that I'd say are bad. I think perhaps you still lack the ability to see past your all consuming bias here.
To put it bluntly, I've seen assloads of people whose opinions I respect openly admit to liking Naruto (both show and manga) and have actual long, serious discussions about elements of both the storyline and setting. That would be why I started watching the show... and have been hooked since episode one. For what it is, I consider it to be excellent, perhaps even nearly a paragon of its genre.
On the other hand, I've seen no discussion of One Piece I'd call even nearly intelligent... even its more intelligent fans tend to shuffle their feet and mumble things about loyalty and friendship when asked to talk about One Piece...
Building a huge fanbase + maintaining said fanbase for over 100 episodes + having noticable members of intelligent fans = something being done right.
Bwahahahahaha, the best thing out of Shounen? PLEASE.
Please don't put words in my mouth, my tongue and vocal cords have that job covered nicely. Since you seem to misunderstand what is being said to you yet again, I suggest you apply more dictionary and reading comprehension to what is said to you than bias slanting and sheer exaggeration. When you amplify the other person's argument to the point of superlatives, you only manage to make yourself look like you don't know what you're talking about.
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How many ONe Piece fans have you seen? Not many.
I've already mentioned it, about 20. Given that that comprises almost a whole season, I'd hardly call that not much. Twenty episodes... assuming that minus opening, ending, and previews that one episode equals 20 minutes, I've watched nearly seven hours. SEVEN ******** HOURS... Read that, digest it, try to understand it... If a show is so bad that one needs to skip past that much of it to get to what even many fans consider to be the point where the series gets good, then its a poor show. That doesn't mean people can't like it, but it certainly qualifies as a cult show.
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How many people did you talk to that has seen One Piece, past episode 20? Not many.
You know what they say about assumptions, don't you? Well, it applies here. I've spoken to quite a few fans, both online and in person, and very few (even a few people who I like and respect), and very few have said anything that really makes me want to give the show another try. I haven't seen conversation among the fans of the show coming anywhere near the level of intelligence I've seen Naruto fans discussing... seriously, we're talking philosophical and literary references coming to play here...
I stand by my statement that I've seen better discussion of Naruto than of One Piece, and if you wish to gainsay me again I suggest you come armed with something bearing more weight than your own blatantly biased insistance on the quality of One Piece... evidence would be nice, but I'll settle for a lovely fruit basket.
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Naruto has a huge fanbase.... over the internet and in America.
One Piece is the #1 show in Japan. Explain THAT. *gasp*
Japan also has vending machines with used panties. Even if our discussion was whether One Piece was popular, I'd say that this calls Japanese preferences suitably into question. I'd also like to see, once and for all, an actual piece of evidence showing that One Piece's utter dominance over the Japanese market bearing more weight than someone actually just stating it. I've also seen fans of shows simply state that the lead character is their spouse.
Intelligent fans? I haven't seen a good discussion of Naruto in Gaia, other than on VS Topics.
I believe there have been several good Naruto discussions in the course of this thread... as well as a few in the Manga subforum and Anime Series subforums. I also know that several guilds have huge discussions and include multiple members that I can guarantee would put up a good discussion. And I'm not talking about VS topics, but I would also count VS conversations as intelligent Naruto discussion if they contain intelligent points.
And by "believe there have been" I mean "I' have read".
I'd also like to point out that you've been on Gaia for just over a month... we're coming up on the 2nd Gaian anniversary. You haven't been here long enough to have seen s**t. Please stop generalizing Gaia on what pitifully little of it you've seen. If you don't like Gaia, then go back to GameFAQS and enjoy their orderly forums and rich avatar system.
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Naruto isn't THAT good. Hunter x Hunter and One Piece outstrips it... by far and considerable amounts.
You strike me as being the type of person who uses the parts of a conversation where the other person is talking as an opportunity to think about what you're going to say rather than listen to the points presented you. It has been shown to you that One Piece suffers every flaw you pointed out as esisting in Naruto, many more strongly than Naruto itself, yet stubbornly insist that said qualities must be held against Naruto and that OP is so good that the steaming piles that are its first 20 episodes be suffered through or ignored for the sake of the rest of the show...
Seriously, do you ever read what you type before hitting the Submit button?
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