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 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:57 pm
I wouldn't go that far, Vin. :3
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 12:59 pm
Lord Haelstrom OutlawD One Im not racist, I don't hate anyone because of their ethnic background and to do so is just plain ******** stupid. We're all human. If I dislike someone its based off of person and not 'color' as its so commonly referred to as. Well [going off le dictionariez]: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. So it's not just dislike of other races that constitutes as racism. And on a subconscious level, everybody is racist because nobody's been raised in a bubble where they weren't exposed to racism. Ever been in a place full of white people and had a thought about it? Or made a joke or assumption based on a particular race being present like various Hispanic races? You were racist when you did that, even if you weren't like.. walking around yelling "<******** SPICS AND GOOKS, SHITHEAD CRACKERS, GHWEGHGHGHG" Likewise, though I was born and raised in an area with a lot of diversity and have had plenty of friends of different backgrounds, I'd be full of s**t if I told you I didn't feel awkward being in all black neighborhoods for example. The ability to own up to our inadequacies and flaws is what allows us to own them. Pretending they don't exist lets them control and dictate us. Like Vintrict. He's slowly coming to admit he's Puerto Rican. Feeling awkward Hael isn't being racist. Being outwardly hateful towards would be. I don't really care what people are…I went to high school with mixtures of races, countries, and tax brackets. I've had Korean, Thai, Cambodian, Haitian, Ethiopian, Israeli, and more as acquaintances and friends at some point or another and have made fun of stereotypes of their race as well as mine with them. Again stereotypes aren't whats racist, racist would be hate outwardly in a physical or verbal sense towards someone based simply off their background to attempt to hurt them and not off of your own personal history with that person. But that I am sure we all know and can comprehend. (I'll post in our fight later)
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:05 pm
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:06 pm
Ja, will catch the fight later. OutlawD One Feeling awkward Hael isn't being racist. Being outwardly hateful towards would be. Why? I mean no I'm not walking around in a Klan robe shitting myself and burning crosses but, when I'm in that situation and I'm feeling awkward, why am I? Because somewhere in my deeper conscious and in my heart, I've internalized fear or paranoia of a group of people, over a particular quality - skin color. I'm fine when there's a mix but when it's just a group different than myself, all of a sudden I'm not comfortable. That's racist. Just because I hide a negative quality and don't express it with the subtlety of a bomb, doesn't mean said quality doesn't exist. If I house it in my heart, then it is just as bad as if I spoke it with venom on my lips.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:07 pm
Side note: Damon Salvatore is too sexy for his own good. I need to find a Damon for Red. -Fan girl squeal-
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:08 pm
OutlawD One How is it that I am limited? If anyone is limited in these short back and fourth quotes that built its you What short back and forth? I responded to Tres...You then quoted me and I in kind spoke to you. There was no back and forth between us until this and it's subsequent post. OutlawD One ….'coon' is a racial slur developed and used towards blacks not whites…nothing about the word coon is racial towards whites, look it up before you use it and definitely before you call me limited for knowing what it means. Coon is indeed a racial slur in origin developed by the "blacks" to describe their shucking and jiving counterparts on the big screen. It is short term for raccoon as in "a masked individual" alluding to not only the literal representation of black people by white individuals with shoe polish on their face but also the metaphorical representation when black actors portrayed "blacks" as Hollywood at the time saw them. OutlawD One If anything is racist its you using the word 'coon'. Nothing racist has been said between Hank Hill and Bojuka and nothing racist has been said by them either. As wacky as those two caricatures are they are not and have not been racist and I'm sure in the moment that they are in anyway hateful towards someone based on race they will be removed from the tourney cause I'm sure everyone here is in agreement with the statement of that s**t is not cool or acceptable.I used the word to illustrate a point in which Hank Hill is a masked caricature of white middle America. It's not a racist comment, it's a fact. Look it up. The creators of the show deliberately state it in numerous interviews. With that being said I used the root definition of coon(raccon) to correlate the ideals that Hank Hill the representation is no different from something say like Mammy. They are both caricatures of what society sees when they think of a group; the overlaying mask or appearance. Also I never made any claim that Hael nor you made any racist comments. I have no idea what you inferred that from. So in short... your thinking is limited because you can only see in one dimension.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:11 pm
No matter how much a coon Bojuka is, we all still believe in the Jecht Shot.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:14 pm
Vintrict No matter how much a coon Bojuka is, we all still believe in the Jecht Shot. No we won't because nobody likes Blitzball. [puts a hose into a globe of water and turns on the suction] Game's over.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:18 pm
Lord Haelstrom Ja, will catch the fight later. OutlawD One Feeling awkward Hael isn't being racist. Being outwardly hateful towards would be. Why? I mean no I'm not walking around in a Klan robe shitting myself and burning crosses but, when I'm in that situation and I'm feeling awkward, why am I? Because somewhere in my deeper conscious and in my heart, I've internalized fear or paranoia of a group of people, over a particular quality - skin color. I'm fine when there's a mix but when it's just a group different than myself, all of a sudden I'm not comfortable. That's racist. Just because I hide a negative quality and don't express it with the subtlety of a bomb, doesn't mean said quality doesn't exist. If I house it in my heart, then it is just as bad as if I spoke it with venom on my lips. If you are afraid just because everyone is one race and no one is yours then yeah I guess. But I guess thats where we differ as many people do. I can be in a group full of other races or just one race and be perfectly fine, it just doesn't bother me being the only black guy there. I don't assume one thing though because the races are different or by the races of those people. What would lead me to do that would be the feeling of the room or area, looks or remarks, or just the area in general depending on if it was 'the hood' or 'slums' or 'trashy' or what not…and that I don't find to be racist. If you feel discriminated or against or discriminatory remarks or actions are done then yeah but at that point it would be plain to see that the people you are around would be racist so of course that would make someone uncomfortable.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:20 pm
Colonel Iyam A Heita I used the word to illustrate a point in which Hank Hill is a masked caricature of white middle America. It's not a racist comment, it's a fact. Look it up. The creators of the show deliberately state it in numerous interviews. With that being said I used the root definition of coon(raccon) to correlate the ideals that Hank Hill the representation is no different from something say like Mammy. They are both caricatures of what society sees when they thing of a group. The overlaying mask or appearance. Yup. The only difference I'd point out, is that blackface actors were impersonating what they portrayed blacks as pure comedy / a form of insult. There was no real social commentary to be had or any deeper underlying meaning to said portrayals, and of course they were radically inaccurate. Meanwhile, Judge [maker of King of the Hill] bases the personalities, location, and general stylings of the characters on people he met growing up in the area King of the Hill is based. And while some episodes are just slapstick humor, many of them are pointing out issues with prevalent mindsets of more conservative middle white America that still exist and are quite frequently observed today. Even where I grew up in Indiana, I've met and known people who are only one octave off Hank or Bill or Dale, in mannerisms and in mindset. There's a distinct difference with that in mind - though both are caricatures, the validity of the observations made in each one is on a radically different scale, and the intent is quite different. Which, I feel is a significant difference that needs observed.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:21 pm
Colonel Iyam A Heita OutlawD One How is it that I am limited? If anyone is limited in these short back and fourth quotes that built its you What short back and forth? I responded to Tres...You then quoted me and I in kind spoke to you. There was no back and forth between us until this and it's subsequent post. OutlawD One ….'coon' is a racial slur developed and used towards blacks not whites…nothing about the word coon is racial towards whites, look it up before you use it and definitely before you call me limited for knowing what it means. Coon is indeed a racial slur in origin developed by the "blacks" to describe their shucking and jiving counterparts on the big screen. It is short term for raccoon as in "a masked individual" alluding to not only the literal representation of black people by white individuals with shoe polish on their face but also the metaphorical representation when black actors portrayed "blacks" as Hollywood at the time saw them. OutlawD One If anything is racist its you using the word 'coon'. Nothing racist has been said between Hank Hill and Bojuka and nothing racist has been said by them either. As wacky as those two caricatures are they are not and have not been racist and I'm sure in the moment that they are in anyway hateful towards someone based on race they will be removed from the tourney cause I'm sure everyone here is in agreement with the statement of that s**t is not cool or acceptable.I used the word to illustrate a point in which Hank Hill is a masked caricature of white middle America. It's not a racist comment, it's a fact. Look it up. The creators of the show deliberately state it in numerous interviews. With that being said I used the root definition of coon(raccon) to correlate the ideals that Hank Hill the representation is no different from something say like Mammy. They are both caricatures of what society sees when they think of a group; the overlaying mask or appearance. Also I never made any claim that Hael nor you made any racist comments. I have no idea what you inferred that from. So in short... your thinking is limited because you can only see in one dimension. I see many many dimensions but the word coon used as in referring to raccoon would be completely different as well…..Hank is not an animal either…the word just doesn't fit that situation, but its ok if you used a word wrong everyone has been guilty of that at some point or another cause no one is a complete dictionary
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:23 pm
I think the only difference between you and I in that regard, is that I am willing to acknowledge my wrongdoing faced with such a matter and push aside my own feelings of self-validity, while you are not. Which isn't bad on you, it's both common and even natural to not think so. But, just because racism isn't made readily apparent, doesn't mean it ceases to exist.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:24 pm
Lord Haelstrom Colonel Iyam A Heita I used the word to illustrate a point in which Hank Hill is a masked caricature of white middle America. It's not a racist comment, it's a fact. Look it up. The creators of the show deliberately state it in numerous interviews. With that being said I used the root definition of coon(raccon) to correlate the ideals that Hank Hill the representation is no different from something say like Mammy. They are both caricatures of what society sees when they thing of a group. The overlaying mask or appearance. Yup. The only difference I'd point out, is that blackface actors were impersonating what they portrayed blacks as pure comedy / a form of insult. There was no real social commentary to be had or any deeper underlying meaning to said portrayals, and of course they were radically inaccurate. Meanwhile, Judge [maker of King of the Hill] bases the personalities, location, and general stylings of the characters on people he met growing up in the area King of the Hill is based. And while some episodes are just slapstick humor, many of them are pointing out issues with prevalent mindsets of more conservative middle white America that still exist and are quite frequently observed today. Even where I grew up in Indiana, I've met and known people who are only one octave off Hank or Bill or Dale, in mannerisms and in mindset. There's a distinct difference with that in mind - though both are caricatures, the validity of the observations made in each one is on a radically different scale, and the intent is quite different. Which, I feel is a significant difference that needs observed. Agreed. The two are completely different; Opposites if you will. And why is Vin still stuck on Bojuka….and also why has he not figured out he's being ignored yet? o.0 Unless he says something worth while….eh well. dramallama
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:25 pm
The only thing I can say for certain is that Outlaw is lying to himself.
Most likely because he thinks this is some sort of clever trap, or attempt to make him say something he doesn't believe. "Oh! These guys are such assholes! If I agree with Hael, then they'll all jump on me for being racist. But Mr. Brown ain't fallin' for that game!"
When, in fact, constantly saying that you aren't racist...at all...is definitively worse than admitting that, on some level, everyone is. Just because you're black doesn't grant you license to decide what is, or isn't, racist...Nor does the plight of one's ancestors give them any REAL understanding on the subject.
You are, just like everyone, racist on some level.
I guarantee it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:26 pm
Lord Haelstrom I think the only difference between you and I in that regard, is that I am willing to acknowledge my wrongdoing faced with such a matter and push aside my own feelings of self-validity, while you are not. Which isn't bad on you, it's both common and even natural to not think so. But, just because racism isn't made readily apparent, doesn't mean it ceases to exist. I'm not forcing any self-validation by saying that. You're not comfortable unless other white people are there even if its just one(according to your last statement..but you very well could be) but me on the other hand I don't give a damn if I'm the only black person…I've been the only black person and I can say from experience I don't give a flying ******** if I am. I don't see that as anything but fact.
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