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phlegmatic waste

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:52 pm


I understand that there cannot be a rule to everything, but I guess I'm one of those 'book worms' as I simply don't think it's logical. I'll gladly ask the MOD's and I'm just now discussing with one of them my character profile. And also, I think that these 'book worms' are just...book worms. They differ from intelligent ones. Example: I was once seen as the classes' most intelligent student although I never really read and 'learn'. You're in this case the intelligent one and what you meant with street smart was common sense there are people that lack it. But we'll leave it your way, and still an intelligent person would be able to take that cloak away and see their real intentions. I'd sense if a sexy girl would try to use me. I'd fail once or two but the third lie would be visible. About the partner having and not having the sexy attribute, I just don't think it would be fair without it. As said, our natural instincts select our partners as the best one/suitable for us. And we usually see it as sexiness. I do not care if my characters gets it or not, but it's not logical and wouldn't be fair. My character doesn't have the sexy attribute, don't misunderstand me, I don't want to lie and use people by utilizing it, but I just don't like it. By the way, what does this Mitsuki have that's better than Sexiness, personality? When someone's sexy you'll be even more interesting to know them/their personality, that's the reason you fall in their trap. However, it's not a decision made by me, Cobra has the final word on this...If it hasn't been said yet. Has it?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 6:27 pm


If you wanted your Rpc to be able to understand logical situations, and cunning situations than you would simple give them both attributes, they would of course have to lack in certain physical area's but that is the same as irl. Not to say smart people are weak, or strong people are stupid, but they would lack when compared to someone who excelled in those area's.

As for your Rpc seeing through the lies there would have to be a reason why, like the other person crossing there lines, or them purposely letting you see there lieing, but simple 'knowing' with out a good reason wouldn't be allowed with or without the sexy attribute.

As for Misuki it might not be her personality, it could be something she did, or a bond he has with her that no one else could hope to achieve. A strong bond couldn't be broken by mere looks, tested maybe but not totally broken.

Cunning and strong relationships are still the only thing to contest with the sexy nin, and I doubt that will change from the exchange of posts here, this is more making sure you, or anyone else reading this understand why things are the way they are,I myself needed this small discussion so I knew Havik's strong will would not help fight off the sexy. As for everything else it would seem like a repeated discussion that will probably be redone a few times as time passes. Most likely yielding the same point of views like this one did from the last few talk about it. (Decided to go back and read them.)

-o-Havik-o-
Vice Captain


Deil Grist
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:10 pm


Pretty much the only way you could counter Sexy with Intelligence would be to use "Analyze" to pick up on the fact that he/she is using their sexyness to manipulate you, but I'm not sure that would really help you negate the effects of the attribute. You'd simply become aware that he/she CAN use their sexyness to manipulate you, but unlike someone with Cunning, you wouldn't be able to tell WHEN it's happening.

Saying that sexyness always trumps love is as much of an overstatement as saying people in love are always faithful, but for the purpose of balance, the latter is treated as fact unless the RPC chooses to be unfaithful. Sexyness is a very powerful attribute when it does hit someone of the proper sexualities, and it's an attribute where rank doesn't matter, so we had to come up with some sort of other balance. Using inter-character relationships as one of the two balance measures encourages inter-character interaction and is a balance that theoretically makes sense in many cases, so that's what we chose to do even if IRL love on it own sometimes isn't enough to secure faithfulness.

As to why Misuki is so attractive to Deil: it's the common bonds they share. Both of them had their bloodlines nearly wiped out, both went to the same village to join the military, she's a medic and he's a person who favors dangerous close combat (so they end up seeing each other a lot because of how likely he is to getting injured), and then there's the fact that she's the kind of fragile person that a strong person like Deil would naturally want to protect. She's also reserved like him, they're both kind to each other, and they both respect each other for who they are. Sure, she's not a knock-out beauty like someone with the Sexy attribute, but she's certainly easy on the eyes and provides a nice contrast of softness and fragility against his hard, tough body. Essentially they're alike in all the right ways, different in all the right ways, and have spent quite some time in each others' company. They've grown close, formed strong bonds, and it's gotten to the point where only death and amnesia can stand between them.

^Take from that what you may, and I can probably come up with a more refined statement than that if I tok the time, but those are the essential reasons why they're head-over-heels in love with each other. They've formed a relationship that is greater than the needs of the flesh, and that's the kind of relationship you need to reduce the effects that the Sexy attribute has on your character.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:24 pm


...The battle of arguments is now unfair; Two against one. Well, I said my point, now I'll just wait.
EDIT: The bonus against the Sexy Attribute is only written on the benefit section. So this only works when Cunning is the Primary or Secondary Attribute?

phlegmatic waste


-o-Havik-o-
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:44 pm


NanoChip
...The battle of arguments is now unfair; Two against one. Well, I said my point, now I'll just wait.
EDIT: The bonus against the Sexy Attribute is only written on the benefit section. So this only works when Cunning is the Primary or Secondary Attribute?
Dependent on other modifiers some times, but yes basically.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:49 pm


Oh man, what modifier? I still don't get it. I didn't see them anywhere, that's why I see this case as not closed yet. And if that only works for the Primay and Secondary slots, I agree with it.

phlegmatic waste


White Water Lilly
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:06 pm


NanoChip
...The battle of arguments is now unfair; Two against one. Well, I said my point, now I'll just wait.
EDIT: The bonus against the Sexy Attribute is only written on the benefit section. So this only works when Cunning is the Primary or Secondary Attribute?


Benefits are effective only in primary or secondary slots. The only exceptions should be Great Chakra Reserves and Endurance.

In regards to this arguement, you make a point that those who are cunning and intelligent might hold there own against someone with the 'sexy' attribute as their minds perceve things differently. I think the main thing behind the sexy thing is that some rpcs might not naturally flaunt their looks (Saiyuri - Jade's rpc in Leaf) but they just have this charm to them that attracts ppl. Even if you're in a relationship, it doesn't nullify the effects its more of a 'he's pretty good looking, but my boyfriend's better' kind of thing. Even for me, when I roleplay as Misuki, I take in the fact that another rpc might have the sexy attribute and I play on that but male rpcs wise, sure she might take a glance or two but in the end, her relationship is what's gonna hold her back from being competely entranced.

It does seems a bit unfair and in a way it kinda pushes ppl to get their rpcs into relationships but what we're ultimately going for is adding a touch of realism to it all. I hope my comments made sense and if anything, helps to put a closure on this.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:07 pm


Okay I use Havik (My Rpc) and Zenko (Despairs Rpc) as examples.

Zenko has hers as a Primary, and Havik's has Cunning as Tertiary... Now at this point, Havik would more adept to seeing she was manipulating him, but not to the point were it would stop him, it would be a very small amount, and Despair would have to let me, or mess up pretty bad for Havik to see it.

But Havik is the tailed host of Kaku, who is the cunning demon, so as a passive I am treated like I am one rank higher when dealing with my cunning stats. Now, I understand that Sexy is not rank specific, but a Genin tricking a Kage into something JUST because she is cute is not possible, there is tact that only comes with experience (Or in this case rank). So with my added bonus of cunning Zenko would have to try a bit harder, or know exactly what Havik likes to be able to trick him, she would be able to, but it wouldn't be as easy as doing it to someone with no cunning added to there character.

-o-Havik-o-
Vice Captain


Unrelinquished Despair
Crew

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:12 pm


Zenko is Chuunin. >_>;;
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:17 pm


Good example Havik. Also, thanks for explaining Lilly. But my point is, now I'll say it in a completely other way...You'll interact with the Sexy person and you'll believe what that person says, you'll be naturally manipulated and yet, you'll find back into your relationship. Nothing will have changed. If you eat the bait of the Sexy person, it still doesn't affect you ah-so strong relationship. It doesn't mean you give it up, but you'll simply believe what this Sexy person says to you. Your relationship will hold you back from completely falling into their hands, but you'll still believe them. This doesn't mean you betray your beloved Deil. How does this sound? Havik, Deil...I got your points but just let me discuss this with Lilly.

phlegmatic waste


Deil Grist
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:29 pm


-o-Havik-o-
Okay I use Havik (My Rpc) and Zenko (Despairs Rpc) as examples.

Zenko has hers as a Primary, and Havik's has Cunning as Tertiary... Now at this point, Havik would more adept to seeing she was manipulating him, but not to the point were it would stop him, it would be a very small amount, and Despair would have to let me, or mess up pretty bad for Havik to see it.

But Havik is the tailed host of Kaku, who is the cunning demon, so as a passive I am treated like I am one rank higher when dealing with my cunning stats. Now, I understand that Sexy is not rank specific, but a Genin tricking a Kage into something JUST because she is cute is not possible, there is tact that only comes with experience (Or in this case rank). So with my added bonus of cunning Zenko would have to try a bit harder, or know exactly what Havik likes to be able to trick him, she would be able to, but it wouldn't be as easy as doing it to someone with no cunning added to there character.

Not true at all, the Sexy attribute ignores rank completely. You're just as sexy as a genin as you are as a sannin, and being of higher rank doesn't make you any less susceptible to the trait.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:34 pm


NanoChip
Good example Havik. Also, thanks for explaining Lilly. But my point is, now I'll say it in a completely other way...You'll interact with the Sexy person and you'll believe what that person says, you'll be naturally manipulated and yet, you'll find back into your relationship. Nothing will have changed. If you eat the bait of the Sexy person, it still doesn't affect you ah-so strong relationship. It doesn't mean you give it up, but you'll simply believe what this Sexy person says to you. Your relationship will hold you back from completely falling into their hands, but you'll still believe them. This doesn't mean you betray your beloved Deil. How does this sound? Havik, Deil...I got your points but just let me discuss this with Lilly.

And in response to that, what does looks have to do with believing someone? I mean sure good looking people might recieve some benefits but it's all in the way they speak and converse. I mean no offense but if an rpc has sexy as primary but they can't even hold a proper conversation, they're not gonna get far in convincing someone. Looks might make someone be more willing to assist but if you ask me, it has to be a combination of smarts and looks.

The way you words things is like saying that everyone will fall immediately into their trap just cause they look good? Sorry but people have to have more common sense than that. I mean an overwhelmingly attractive person is overwhelming. Sometimes flaunting yourself might make you look good but honestly, some could find it dumb and useless.

I guess, I'm arguing more on the side of 'natural charm' aside from 'forced/planned charm'. Still, I stand by the fact that even if someone has the exy attribute, they need to know how to apply it and everyone can't just assume that cause they are good looking, we are unable to resist them. You look good, great, but can you use it properly to get people to do things for you. So yeah, sexy doesn't mean cunning. They could be more sly in actions but common sense, and those with intelligence or cunning should be able to hold their ground somewhat to it.

White Water Lilly
Vice Captain


-o-Havik-o-
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:45 pm


Deil Grist
-o-Havik-o-
Okay I use Havik (My Rpc) and Zenko (Despairs Rpc) as examples.

Zenko has hers as a Primary, and Havik's has Cunning as Tertiary... Now at this point, Havik would more adept to seeing she was manipulating him, but not to the point were it would stop him, it would be a very small amount, and Despair would have to let me, or mess up pretty bad for Havik to see it.

But Havik is the tailed host of Kaku, who is the cunning demon, so as a passive I am treated like I am one rank higher when dealing with my cunning stats. Now, I understand that Sexy is not rank specific, but a Genin tricking a Kage into something JUST because she is cute is not possible, there is tact that only comes with experience (Or in this case rank). So with my added bonus of cunning Zenko would have to try a bit harder, or know exactly what Havik likes to be able to trick him, she would be able to, but it wouldn't be as easy as doing it to someone with no cunning added to there character.

Not true at all, the Sexy attribute ignores rank completely. You're just as sexy as a genin as you are as a sannin, and being of higher rank doesn't make you any less susceptible to the trait.
That makes absolutely no sense, a genin would be just as attractive, and might get away with a bit, but should not have the same effect as another Sannin would when it came to how well they can 'lure' or use 'seduction'

If that is the way it is now then it needs to be changed, because it is Op, they can be as attractive as they want to be, but there powers of seduction should not be as strong as possible, and able to fool any one at any level. I can not agree with that, it simple doesn't make any sort of sense.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:57 pm


Havik, it does make sense because the 'sexiness' attribute is about physical allure, and isn't based on any rank factors.

Unrelinquished Despair
Crew


Deil Grist
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:02 pm


-o-Havik-o-
Deil Grist
-o-Havik-o-
Okay I use Havik (My Rpc) and Zenko (Despairs Rpc) as examples.

Zenko has hers as a Primary, and Havik's has Cunning as Tertiary... Now at this point, Havik would more adept to seeing she was manipulating him, but not to the point were it would stop him, it would be a very small amount, and Despair would have to let me, or mess up pretty bad for Havik to see it.

But Havik is the tailed host of Kaku, who is the cunning demon, so as a passive I am treated like I am one rank higher when dealing with my cunning stats. Now, I understand that Sexy is not rank specific, but a Genin tricking a Kage into something JUST because she is cute is not possible, there is tact that only comes with experience (Or in this case rank). So with my added bonus of cunning Zenko would have to try a bit harder, or know exactly what Havik likes to be able to trick him, she would be able to, but it wouldn't be as easy as doing it to someone with no cunning added to there character.

Not true at all, the Sexy attribute ignores rank completely. You're just as sexy as a genin as you are as a sannin, and being of higher rank doesn't make you any less susceptible to the trait.
That makes absolutely no sense, a genin would be just as attractive, and might get away with a bit, but should not have the same effect as another Sannin would when it came to how well they can 'lure' or use 'seduction'

If that is the way it is now then it needs to be changed, because it is Op, they can be as attractive as they want to be, but there powers of seduction should not be as strong as possible, and able to fool any one at any level. I can not agree with that, it simple doesn't make any sort of sense.


And how doesn't that make sense? Being attracted to someone has nothing to do with experience in combat, so why should a bunch of technique learning make you any more resistant to being attracted to someone? You don't get any sexier for learning a taijutsu skill or completing a mission, so why should such things increase your resistance to sexy?

With the exception of the combat ability, the Sexy attribute is the only attribute who's abilities really only affects the roleplay outside of combat. Therefore, your experience in the ways of combat don't have any link to how you handle lust.
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