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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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 Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 3:53 pm
Aakosir Chieftain Twilight good luck, Sapph! sounds like alot of fun! xd show pics when you get it finishd! and yeh, I hate when folks try to act like I have no credibility when I bring up a topic as well. like, I don't have room to talk, no matter what I've been through, or like they think I'm making s**t up. how dare I presume to know what I'm talking about! where do I get the nerve to base my opinions or beliefs off of personal experience! but like Elta said, these folks ain't worthe getting upsetover. you know the truth, and that's all that matters. now, on one hand, I will say that it is a little unfair to assume that none of those 90 girls have certain circumstances which either make their pregnancies more responsible than most (such as wealth, or a fiance with a decent income), or which were out of their control (rape, perhaps). it isn't like you are the only one who has special circumstances, and judging others without knowing what they've been through would make you a hypocrite for getting angry at someone else for doing that of you. but again, we still have to acknowledge the fact that it's nearly 100 girls in one freaking school! o_O; that's alot of pregnancies, so there is obviously a certain lack of self-restraint among adolescents going on over there. anyone who shows a lack of concern for that would have to explain to me why they don't see a problem, or else I would likely suspect that they simply don't care whether teenagers are ******** their own or other's lives up! where are the parents in all of this? why are they not teaching their children about these things? the only places where anyone gets any realistic sexual education are SOME churches/covens/worship groups, and those tend to have strong biases which are juxtoposed against abominable advertisements and media portrayals. I don't understnd the fear and shame which grips the supermajority population when it comes to sex. I realy don't. I've heard of those kinds of pacts. there was a movie made about it. girls in certain schools would make pacts to either a.) all get pregnant together, or b.) lose their virginity that year. the idea is that they all do it, so that way theu are all equal, and have eachother as support. the problem with it, is that it's usually not thought all the way through, and is typpically spurred by either peer-pressure, or by some misguided view of sex or what the plan itself involves. it isn't so much prostitution in the sense that you are thinking (usually). though if it were, I'd actually probably have more respect for them. I know we feel differently about that, but I think your reasons for the way you feel about it seem obvious. correct me if it's not because you think of prossies as "homewreckers". the way I see it, the problem lies in how sex is approached in this nation. always has been. and the problem with that started when Prostitution became looked down on.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 5:49 pm
Chieftain Twilight the way I see it, the problem lies in how sex is approached in this nation. always has been. and the problem with that started when Prostitution became looked down on. I think the real problem is when Sex became looked down upon. Even within the confines of traditional Christian marriage, there are quite a few who still believe it's wrong for purposes other than procreation. Discussion of the topic is taboo. As I understand it, the Catholic church even frowns upon contraception. Talking about responsible sex lives is impossible when the older generation can't talk about sex at all.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:01 pm
Chieftain Twilight Aakosir Chieftain Twilight good luck, Sapph! sounds like alot of fun! xd show pics when you get it finishd! and yeh, I hate when folks try to act like I have no credibility when I bring up a topic as well. like, I don't have room to talk, no matter what I've been through, or like they think I'm making s**t up. how dare I presume to know what I'm talking about! where do I get the nerve to base my opinions or beliefs off of personal experience! but like Elta said, these folks ain't worthe getting upsetover. you know the truth, and that's all that matters. now, on one hand, I will say that it is a little unfair to assume that none of those 90 girls have certain circumstances which either make their pregnancies more responsible than most (such as wealth, or a fiance with a decent income), or which were out of their control (rape, perhaps). it isn't like you are the only one who has special circumstances, and judging others without knowing what they've been through would make you a hypocrite for getting angry at someone else for doing that of you. but again, we still have to acknowledge the fact that it's nearly 100 girls in one freaking school! o_O; that's alot of pregnancies, so there is obviously a certain lack of self-restraint among adolescents going on over there. anyone who shows a lack of concern for that would have to explain to me why they don't see a problem, or else I would likely suspect that they simply don't care whether teenagers are ******** their own or other's lives up! where are the parents in all of this? why are they not teaching their children about these things? the only places where anyone gets any realistic sexual education are SOME churches/covens/worship groups, and those tend to have strong biases which are juxtoposed against abominable advertisements and media portrayals. I don't understnd the fear and shame which grips the supermajority population when it comes to sex. I realy don't. I've heard of those kinds of pacts. there was a movie made about it. girls in certain schools would make pacts to either a.) all get pregnant together, or b.) lose their virginity that year. the idea is that they all do it, so that way theu are all equal, and have eachother as support. the problem with it, is that it's usually not thought all the way through, and is typpically spurred by either peer-pressure, or by some misguided view of sex or what the plan itself involves. it isn't so much prostitution in the sense that you are thinking (usually). though if it were, I'd actually probably have more respect for them. I know we feel differently about that, but I think your reasons for the way you feel about it seem obvious. correct me if it's not because you think of prossies as "homewreckers". the way I see it, the problem lies in how sex is approached in this nation. always has been. and the problem with that started when Prostitution became looked down on.
Um... not homewreckers, but an unnecessary temptation. Plus, I don't think they could have much respect for themselves. That's an outsiders POV because I do not know. But I have too much respect for myself and would never sell my body for any type of gain.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:03 pm
ScarletFrost Discussion of the topic is taboo. As I understand it, the Catholic church even frowns upon contraception. Talking about responsible sex lives is impossible when the older generation can't talk about sex at all.
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Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 9:51 pm
Well, I'm not for legal prostitution or anything, but I gotta defend a few. Most women do it for one of three reasons:
1. They were sold into it at a young age; probably kidnapped (it does happen)
2. They actually have no respect for themselves
3. They really need the money and have no other means to get it (I mean like for bills and such)
You see it all the time in Detroit; some 13 year old pretty girl goes missing, never to be found again, or shows up totally messed up, usually pregnant or now has an STD.
But I agree, older Catholics and Christians cringe at the thought of sex outside of marriage.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:37 am
XxcloudedsightxX Well, I'm not for legal prostitution or anything, but I gotta defend a few. Most women do it for one of three reasons: 1. They were sold into it at a young age; probably kidnapped (it does happen) 2. They actually have no respect for themselves 3. They really need the money and have no other means to get it (I mean like for bills and such) You see it all the time in Detroit; some 13 year old pretty girl goes missing, never to be found again, or shows up totally messed up, usually pregnant or now has an STD. But I agree, older Catholics and Christians cringe at the thought of sex outside of marriage.
I do no understand how someone could have absolutely no respect for themself... That is beyond me.
And even if I was dead broke I would never do something like that. I am interested in exotic and pole dancing, but for the purpose of excercise and it looks like fun! I would never show off to some random guy.
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ScarletFrost Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:51 am
XxcloudedsightxX Well, I'm not for legal prostitution or anything, but I gotta defend a few. Most women do it for one of three reasons: 1. They were sold into it at a young age; probably kidnapped (it does happen) 2. They actually have no respect for themselves 3. They really need the money and have no other means to get it (I mean like for bills and such) You see it all the time in Detroit; some 13 year old pretty girl goes missing, never to be found again, or shows up totally messed up, usually pregnant or now has an STD. But I agree, older Catholics and Christians cringe at the thought of sex outside of marriage. It's not even just outside of marriage. Even within marriage, so many people are "missionary only" types, and "orgasm" is a bad word. eek And frankly the idea that the ministry shouldn't marry is just a recipe for disaster! As if somehow staying technically, physically chaste all your life automatically makes you a better person. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 8:52 am
ScarletFrost XxcloudedsightxX Well, I'm not for legal prostitution or anything, but I gotta defend a few. Most women do it for one of three reasons: 1. They were sold into it at a young age; probably kidnapped (it does happen) 2. They actually have no respect for themselves 3. They really need the money and have no other means to get it (I mean like for bills and such) You see it all the time in Detroit; some 13 year old pretty girl goes missing, never to be found again, or shows up totally messed up, usually pregnant or now has an STD. But I agree, older Catholics and Christians cringe at the thought of sex outside of marriage. It's not even just outside of marriage. Even within marriage, so many people are "missionary only" types, and "orgasm" is a bad word. eek And frankly the idea that the ministry shouldn't marry is just a recipe for disaster! As if somehow staying technically, physically chaste all your life automatically makes you a better person. rolleyes I would think it would do the opposite. Repressing healthy sexual urges because they are "unclean" and "impure"? Means unhealthy ones pop up and have no release valve. And thus the *****, among others.... Oh, and just to snipe about it... orgasm isn't a bad word. Female orgasm, not that's a bad bad word. Can't have your wife enjoying sex or knowing it can be enjoyed, cause then she'd find a guy who isn't a selfish p***k (pun most definitely intended) to have fun with.
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 10:10 am
ya know... with the economy going the way it has, and even legitimate work being so hard to come by... I've been looking into other less-than-legal means of income.... but still Prostitution stays low on the list. however, with the risks weighed, it still stays higher than selling stolen goods, or robbery. and I havn't been able to sell drugs, so I'm honestly considering being a whore...
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:21 pm
ScarletFrost XxcloudedsightxX Well, I'm not for legal prostitution or anything, but I gotta defend a few. Most women do it for one of three reasons: 1. They were sold into it at a young age; probably kidnapped (it does happen) 2. They actually have no respect for themselves 3. They really need the money and have no other means to get it (I mean like for bills and such) You see it all the time in Detroit; some 13 year old pretty girl goes missing, never to be found again, or shows up totally messed up, usually pregnant or now has an STD. But I agree, older Catholics and Christians cringe at the thought of sex outside of marriage. It's not even just outside of marriage. Even within marriage, so many people are "missionary only" types, and "orgasm" is a bad word. eek And frankly the idea that the ministry shouldn't marry is just a recipe for disaster! As if somehow staying technically, physically chaste all your life automatically makes you a better person. rolleyes
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:23 pm
Chieftain Twilight ya know... with the economy going the way it has, and even legitimate work being so hard to come by... I've been looking into other less-than-legal means of income.... but still Prostitution stays low on the list. however, with the risks weighed, it still stays higher than selling stolen goods, or robbery. and I havn't been able to sell drugs, so I'm honestly considering being a whore...
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Chieftain Twilight Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:30 pm
Aakosir Chieftain Twilight ya know... with the economy going the way it has, and even legitimate work being so hard to come by... I've been looking into other less-than-legal means of income.... but still Prostitution stays low on the list. however, with the risks weighed, it still stays higher than selling stolen goods, or robbery. and I havn't been able to sell drugs, so I'm honestly considering being a whore... if I can get away with it and still earn enough, then yes. there are free condoms being handed out everywhere in this town now (I remember when nobody realy gave enough of a s**t). plus, it seems that the majority of folks here prefer to wear condoms anyway, I'm one of the few exceptions. so I don't doubt I'll be able to keep myself "covered" in the litteral sense. ninja part of the reason I havn't already started to whore out is because of the dangers involved (both in terms of disease, and vioelce, as well as exploitation). the other reason is also a matter of Pride. I have never payed for Sex, and I don't want to be paid for it either. however, times are tough, and I gotta do what I gotta do. iii-_- luckily, it's a new School Semester, and possible work oppurtunities are just around the corner... ninja if I don't have an income by the next long break though, I'm hitting the corners downtown. sad let's hope I can find an unclaimed area... >.> those black women and drag-queens can get pretty nasty about territory....
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 2:25 pm
I think I have a more unique logic when it comes to sex and education.
I think if schools and even parents focused more about the consequences and repercussions of sex more than arguing what is and isn't OK to teach, and quit handing out condoms "because kids will be kids, and we are equipping them to be 'SAFE'", and actually TEACH something more than the mechanics and that you can get sick, we might see a difference in the pregnancy rates at least.
Handing kids condoms and saying "Don't get aids, and if a kid is conceived, it's bad, but fixable" is not education. That seems to be a half-credit's worth of information in most schools State's side though.
Seriously, I have already established with my 8 year old son that sex is how a woman gets pregnant. I have already talked about how it can have devastating consequences when done with someone who has certain diseases, and we have already established that it isn't bad, and is actually a great and beautiful thing when all the possibilities are considered and accepted. As he gets older, and starts learning more about the act itself, he will already have this other information in mind.
I was taught the same way. I was able to make educated decisions, and sex wasn't such a mysterious wonderful thing to me. It gave me an insight to see others of my peer group in a unique light, and I was able to fend off negative peer pressure when people found out I was still a virgin.
I decided when I was ready, not some groping hands and hot breath telling me I wanted it in the movie theater. I decided, not my raging hormones, when my crush approached me to go out for the evening. And when I was ready, it was with confidence that it was truly what I wanted, and that it wasn't an impulsive moment that I had to make my decision or miss out forever.
Let's face it. Kids don't need videos showing them how to have sex, it's natural and instinctual. Kids don't need schools to buy them condoms, that is like condoning them to go out and be irresponsible before they fully understand the repercussions of their actions. Everyone knows about STD's, but so many people have bought into the belief that the condom is the magic force field that will protect them from those horrible fates. Girls know about abortion, but they are never taught how confused and damaged abortion makes a woman's body.
It's time they really start educating kids, not arguing if it is morally correct. I also believe that a passive teaching on abstinence until at least a certain age would be incredibly beneficial to our society. Yes there would be kids who went out to do the deed anyway, but at least they would be prepared to have to take responsibility for their actions.
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Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:06 pm
I like what you said Elta. Very agreeable and makes a lot of sense.
I heard about those schools handing out condoms... Wasn't it a middle school?
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