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lymelady
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:41 am


Hello, how're you?
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:52 am


Has anyone ever read Paradise Lost? It's interesting.

lymelady
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Xiterrose
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 10:59 am


Yes, I've read part of it, I think.

It's the whole reason why everyone thinks that Satan was cast out of Heaven.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:41 pm


everyone "thinks"? sounds like you disagree, Xi.

purple panther


lymelady
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:55 pm


I'm pretty sure Milton took it from something, the belief was around much earlier than when he wrote it. It's interesting, but I definitely recommend that any feminist in here not read too far into it...because if I hear one more argument for how Christians are sexist pigs, I'm going to flip my lid, I swear.

Except at this point I"m VERY mad at Eve for eating that darn apple. stare
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:27 pm


Yes, I do disagree. My brother's church is/was doing a study about Satan, and from what my brother told me about it, Satan was never actually cast out of Heaven like most would believe.

Xiterrose
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lymelady
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:38 pm


I have no idea whatsoever where Satan came from, how he got to hell, and why he's hell-bent on bringing the rest of us down with him. I just know he exists. I can't begin to understand God, so I just trust when His messengers say pride is the fatal sin of satan that got him cast from heaven, knowing they may be wrong but pride is a recurring theme in the bible that always leads to downfall and ruin, so I try avoiding it no matter if Satan fell to it or not.
PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2005 3:23 pm


I don't believe Satan is in Hell.

Xiterrose
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Because ILY

PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:07 pm


Xiterrose
I don't believe Satan is in Hell.
where do you believe he is?
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:12 pm


xXSnuffXx
Xiterrose
I don't believe Satan is in Hell.
where do you believe he is?


Erm, well, I don't think they really call him the prince of the air for nothing.

Xiterrose
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Xiterrose
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:26 pm


Besides, how else would he have gone and said that Job would renounce God, or how would he have tempted Jesus? So no, I don't believe he is in Hell.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:09 pm


Xiterrose
Besides, how else would he have gone and said that Job would renounce God, or how would he have tempted Jesus? So no, I don't believe he is in Hell.
it actually states in teh Beginning of Job that he was roaming the Land. And why would it say in Revelations that he would be locked up for a thousand years, if he was already in Hell?

Se Ga Takai


Xiterrose
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:22 pm


Se Ga Takai
Xiterrose
Besides, how else would he have gone and said that Job would renounce God, or how would he have tempted Jesus? So no, I don't believe he is in Hell.
it actually states in teh Beginning of Job that he was roaming the Land. And why would it say in Revelations that he would be locked up for a thousand years, if he was already in Hell?


xp
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 7:38 am


I believe Satan is in hell as much as I believe God is in heaven. Satan isn't bound to hell. He takes on many forms in reality, and I know I harp on it, but he takes on pleasing appearances. Why sin if it looked evil? Would you eat an apple that looks rotten and moldy and disgusting, or pleasant, ripe, firm and shining? So many sins are morally justifiable, you know, I guess that's where "The road to hell is paved with good intentions," comes from. It's in interpretation I guess. Make enough excuses to justify your actions to yourself, and you feel perfectly right in doing wrong, I can assure you almost every human on earth has done this, most likely everyone reading this has. Satan knows human nature and uses it to his advantage. God created humans though and has the ultimate advantage...He is God. He made us, He knows us, and we are His. The devil walks on this earth, that's for certain to me, but he is also ruler of hell. He reigns in hell, gathering souls away from God in an attempt to hurt God and heighten his own false power. I don't know. I'm what, 18? I'm human. I can't possibly understand God, eternity, the universe, or even hope to. I do believe that Satan would not be satisfied in letting souls suffer without watching in delight. I think he'd be much more please to be in hell watching and sticking his middle finger up at God. More the fool is he that he can't tell he's fighting a losing battle.

lymelady
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lymelady
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:21 am


White smoke, new pope. It's weird. All my life I only knew one pope. And now there's Pope Benedict XVI, may God give him strength and guide him.

New Pope

Yahoo News

By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer

VATICAN CITY - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, the church's leading hard-liner, was elected the new pope Tuesday evening in the first conclave of the new millennium. He chose the name Pope Benedict XVI and called himself "a simple, humble worker."

Ratzinger, the first German pope since the 11th century, emerged onto the balcony of St. Peter's Basilica, where he waved to a wildly cheering crowd of tens of thousands and gave his first blessing as pope. Other cardinals clad in their crimson robes came out on other balconies to watch him.


"Dear brothers and sisters, after the great Pope John Paul II, the cardinals have elected me — a simple, humble worker in the vineyard of the Lord," he said after being introduced by Chilean Cardinal Jorge Arturo Medina Estivez.


"The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers," the new pope said. "I entrust myself to your prayers."


The crowd responded by chanting "Benedict! Benedict!"


If the new pope was paying tribute to the last pontiff of that name, it could be interpreted as a bid to soften his image as the Vatican's doctrinal hard-liner. Benedict XV, who reigned from 1914 to 1922, was a moderate following Pius X, who had implemented a sharp crackdown against doctrinal "modernism."


On Monday, Ratzinger, who was the powerful dean of the College of Cardinals, used his homily at the Mass dedicated to electing the next pope to warn the faithful about tendencies that he considered dangers to the faith: sects, ideologies like Marxism, liberalism, atheism, agnosticism and relativism — the ideology that there are no absolute truths.


"Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the church, is often labeled today as a fundamentalism," he said, speaking in Italian. "Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and 'swept along by every wind of teaching,' looks like the only attitude acceptable to today's standards.


Ratzinger served John Paul II since 1981 as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In that position, he has disciplined church dissidents and upheld church policy against attempts by liberals for reforms. He turned 78 on Saturday.


The new pope had gone into the conclave with the most buzz among two dozen leading candidates. He had impressed many faithful with his stirring homily at the funeral of John Paul II, who died April 2 at age 84.


Ratzinger is the first Germanic pope since monarchs imposed four men from that region in a row in the 11th century.


I didn't start a new thread with this because it's not a Catholic Guild, duh, but it's just a piece of news in the Christian world that's interesting and...to Catholics, at least, very significant.
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