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 Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:21 pm
Why do all the Chaos Magicians out there feel like they can rape the ******** out of closed cultures?
I learned my mistake and have learned from it when I was being a fluffy bunny (yes I was >_____>).
But every other one out there is bat s**t crazy and unethical about it.
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 5:30 pm
True Colours of Destiny Why do all the Chaos Magicians out there feel like they can rape the ******** out of closed cultures? I learned my mistake and have learned from it when I was being a fluffy bunny (yes I was >_____>). But every other one out there is bat s**t crazy and unethical about it. Because in people's minds Chaos Magic (like Fluffy Wicca) means "do what you want, you don't really have to look at what you're taking". Or, you know, "Do what you want, you're a mage now, no one can stop you."
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Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:38 pm
too2sweet Brass Bell Doll Isn't it interesting that they put honoring their deities at the bottom of the list? I wonder why that is. I think that in many ways, it is through doing the first 12, that one honors one's deities (if the list is something that one follows). I feel that is a good point, but it can lend itself to hubris very quickly.
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 5:33 am
Brass Bell Doll too2sweet Brass Bell Doll Isn't it interesting that they put honoring their deities at the bottom of the list? I wonder why that is. I think that in many ways, it is through doing the first 12, that one honors one's deities (if the list is something that one follows). I feel that is a good point, but it can lend itself to hubris very quickly. If it leads there, then it'd be a case where one wasn't actually following them properly. (4-7 would seem to aim at keeping that in check)
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:10 am
too2sweet If it leads there, then it'd be a case where one wasn't actually following them properly. (4-7 would seem to aim at keeping that in check) I feel that 4-7 would just as easily be used to justify the hubris, as The Bard once said "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose".
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:36 pm
Brass Bell Doll too2sweet If it leads there, then it'd be a case where one wasn't actually following them properly. (4-7 would seem to aim at keeping that in check) I feel that 4-7 would just as easily be used to justify the hubris, as The Bard once said "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose". I feel like if you cannot perform tasks 1-9, you cannot adequately honor the gods. While not as self-centric as, say, some strains of Satanism, various forms of religious witchcraft tend to put heavy emphasis on developing the individual. That is why, I think, putting steps 1-9 before honoring the gods makes sense--if you cannot master those basic steps in day-to-day life, why would the gods want any business with you when you call upon them to perform something greater? Perhaps they are not ranked by importance, but by steps.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 6:42 pm
True Colours of Destiny Why do all the Chaos Magicians out there feel like they can rape the ******** out of closed cultures? I learned my mistake and have learned from it when I was being a fluffy bunny (yes I was >_____>). But every other one out there is bat s**t crazy and unethical about it. Please don't group irresponsible or naive pagans with those who have psychological and/or mental conditions, it's rather ablist.
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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 8:09 pm
Illiezeulette I feel like if you cannot perform tasks 1-9, you cannot adequately honor the gods. While not as self-centric as, say, some strains of Satanism, various forms of religious witchcraft tend to put heavy emphasis on developing the individual. That is why, I think, putting steps 1-9 before honoring the gods makes sense--if you cannot master those basic steps in day-to-day life, why would the gods want any business with you when you call upon them to perform something greater? Perhaps they are not ranked by importance, but by steps. I often feel that while I can understand this in terms of steps that allow one to practice magic, to suggest it is necessary to honor the God and Goddess would place our personal value judgments over the desire of the gods themselves and the way they create relationships with us. I feel that even a toddler who cannot follow the first several laws are still able to honor gods, if in a different way than we do. I feel this is true for all kinds of people, children, adults, any of whom could struggle or fail at following several of these steps, many of whom would be able to honor the gods and practice witchcraft.
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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:55 pm
Brass Bell Doll Illiezeulette I feel like if you cannot perform tasks 1-9, you cannot adequately honor the gods. While not as self-centric as, say, some strains of Satanism, various forms of religious witchcraft tend to put heavy emphasis on developing the individual. That is why, I think, putting steps 1-9 before honoring the gods makes sense--if you cannot master those basic steps in day-to-day life, why would the gods want any business with you when you call upon them to perform something greater? Perhaps they are not ranked by importance, but by steps. I often feel that while I can understand this in terms of steps that allow one to practice magic, to suggest it is necessary to honor the God and Goddess would place our personal value judgments over the desire of the gods themselves and the way they create relationships with us. I feel that even a toddler who cannot follow the first several laws are still able to honor gods, if in a different way than we do. I feel this is true for all kinds of people, children, adults, any of whom could struggle or fail at following several of these steps, many of whom would be able to honor the gods and practice witchcraft. Mmm. I see your point/s. I appreciate your input.
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:34 am
True Colours of Destiny Why do all the Chaos Magicians out there feel like they can rape the ******** out of closed cultures? I dunno. As someone on the chaos path, it seems a little silly to me to start fussing with godforms that might just give you a kick in the pants for your trouble because they were programmed to be particularly picky. razz
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Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:28 am
Yanueh True Colours of Destiny Why do all the Chaos Magicians out there feel like they can rape the ******** out of closed cultures? I dunno. As someone on the chaos path, it seems a little silly to me to start fussing with godforms that might just give you a kick in the pants for your trouble because they were programmed to be particularly picky. razz I especially like the ones who think they are buddy buddy with said Gods because they are doing said things. I have a tentative relationship with one of the Gods that people usually described as "Chaotic." His usual response is still to slam me in the head to get some attention in a sort of "Hey, wake up, pay attention to me!" type of way. I can't imagine what misinterpreting him would do.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:57 am
"Since I'm a Pisces do you think it would be a good idea to pull water from my body to strengthen my shield?"
He really needs to stop calling me and waking me up about things like this....
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:19 am
Umbral Epoch "Since I'm a Pisces do you think it would be a good idea to pull water from my body to strengthen my shield?" He really needs to stop calling me and waking me up about things like this.... I'm not sure whether I want to laugh really hard...or cry.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:01 am
Arcanist Angus Umbral Epoch "Since I'm a Pisces do you think it would be a good idea to pull water from my body to strengthen my shield?" He really needs to stop calling me and waking me up about things like this.... I'm not sure whether I want to laugh really hard...or cry. I just told him it was a bad idea and went back to sleep. I'd stop babysitting him and let something bad happen if he didn't keep pulling me into his little "spells" without my permission. For some reason I'm a super special strong witch or something.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:36 am
Umbral Epoch Arcanist Angus Umbral Epoch "Since I'm a Pisces do you think it would be a good idea to pull water from my body to strengthen my shield?" He really needs to stop calling me and waking me up about things like this.... I'm not sure whether I want to laugh really hard...or cry. I just told him it was a bad idea and went back to sleep. I'd stop babysitting him and let something bad happen if he didn't keep pulling me into his little "spells" without my permission. For some reason I'm a super special strong witch or something.
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