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 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:10 pm
 No no...I actually literally believe in the existence of it all. XD I just don't choose to follow any specific one, since..I haven't quite found a group that fits me. So I'm kinda standing on neutral ground. :3
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:46 pm
Silent Cartoon Hey, religion is a fun thing to talk about! D: Even if it does lead to heated debates.
But I don't think anyone here is too hardcore in their beliefs that they'll let a little joking around get to them. Most of the time I see these with people who will openly mock one faith but then get defensive when you poke at theirs. I poke fun at all of them equally! :'D (And don't get me wrong, I'm not even an atheist. XD I believe in a bit of everything.) *cough*alotofcommentsarealreadytickingmeoff*cough* Now poking at ones belief isn't nice, especially when its not yours so you know less about it.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:53 pm
Hun, I don't know exactly what would be ticking you off. Its all just theological theory.
And like I said, I don't necessarily follow one belief system, but I do acknowledge them all. As such, I've done a fair share of studying on as many as I could. >> What I meant by that is it bothers me to see people all happily make jokes and comics and stuff about Greek or Egyptian gods (which people -do- still worship), but make one Jesus joke and there's a big hissy fit. Either joke about them all or don't joke about any.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:01 pm
And besides, I've dealt with enough heated religious talk aimed at me.
If I see it starting, I have VC powers and I'll step in.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:03 pm
Silent Cartoon
Hun, I don't know exactly what would be ticking you off. Its all just theological theory.
And like I said, I don't necessarily follow one belief system, but I do acknowledge them all. As such, I've done a fair share of studying on as many as I could. >> What I meant by that is it bothers me to see people all happily make jokes and comics and stuff about Greek or Egyptian gods (which people -do- still worship), but make one Jesus joke and there's a big hissy fit. Either joke about them all or don't joke about any.
Indeed you have an extremely valid point. A belief is like part of someones soul, it's what helps us move along in life. Insulting that can be the worst of the worst. Another reason as to why this topic should be dropped. It's to easy to say something wrong without realizing it, since theirs so many beliefs out there now, whether you follow one or decide on your own. I, oddly enough to what a few people see Christians as, am very interested in other religions and often question people about them extensively. And I'm also very strong in my belief. XD So at the very least, you won't find me being rude to people here on this topic area. But others might.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:07 pm
Why should I not be allowed to talk about something that interests me because it -might- offend someone? They choose to get offended.
...And its Card and Yen. ...I don't think they're physically able to be rude to anyone.
Ever.
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..EVER.
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Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 11:32 pm
Silent Cartoon Why should I not be allowed to talk about something that interests me because it -might- offend someone? They choose to get offended.
...And its Card and Yen. ...I don't think they're physically able to be rude to anyone.
Ever.
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..EVER. Haha, youde be surprised the things Ive seem people say/do that you wouldn't expect. '_' actulay, you wouldn't be surprised. Im sure youve seen it before. XD Anyways, Im no longer posting anything relevant to that discussion. So who heres noticed Loyal purposely buys cloths that are too small? XD
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:16 am
Is that a good or bad thing about me and Yen? XD
And have to say.. Making fun of others and their religion is the basis of prejudice and stereotyping, which is a common form of comedy... especially in America. Just saying...
As for heated religious debates, I've had one that soured too quickly because of the topic, where in the end, he began to threaten to hunt me down at school and beat me up... I just told him I just copied the entire chat log so I could have proof for battery and assault. :3
I didn't attack the person, but rather brought up an issue regarding to what he said, where he took offence because he believed that I'm a "*****ing **** that **** and ****" who manipulated his words to make him look like a... well, a not very nice person to say the least. [[I don't remember the exact words. Deleted the file a while back. XD]]
Tish, you're rather conservative. I'm really surprised.
And slightly surprised at the very broadness of Yen's and Sil's view of their religion(s?). Is it because of the modern spread of information? The lack of a good fit with any particular single one? Or has transcendentalism come back from the graves and implement it squarely within our philosophies? XD
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 8:28 am
I don't do it to be meeaaan. >3> Its not like I go "Ur religion is dumb because ______ " Because that'd go against what I personally believe. 3nodding ...It makes more sense in my mind, trust me. I have a weird way of thinking. ANYWHO.
I don't know about Yen, but mine came from the fact that I have very open parents when it comes to religion. My father is the same way I am, about believing in the existence of everything, but he just chose Christianity (and I mean Christianity in a loose term.; He's not a hardcore follower, nor was he ever.) because its what fit him and his morals the most.
I just haven't found that one that fits my personal morals the most. Most people call me "Pagan" or "Wiccan" because of my practice in divination, though. ...Though I did have one person who insisted on calling me "The Viking" because I've had this fascination with Norse Mythos for a while. >w> (Since I met one of my friends step-father who is actually a practicing worshiper of Loki. )
But no. I'm just me. Standing on the middle grounds until I find the one thing that suits my fancy. :'3
As for Tisha. If you worry about people getting offended so easily, you're never going to be able to say the things you want/need to say. Every opinion you have will surely offend someone, -somewhere-. I'm a big feminist/gay rights activist/animal rights activist (but not like..PETA animal rights. There'salinepeople.) ...all things that seem really good, right? Here in my hometown though, you wouldn't believe all of the negativity I get for my opinions. This isn't adding onto the fact that of my theological beliefs and the fact that I want to draw cartoons for a living.
So yeah. If you worry so much about choosing your words, least offending others, you're not going to get any word out.
AND AS FOR YOUR SUBJECT CHANGE. ...FF- I -know-. I think his jacket sleeves are always short. But that's probably Fayren wanting to show off his invisible-ness.
... ...Wall of text, maaan. Wall of text.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:45 am
Just to add in my two cents, I think that it's alright to discuss religion, as long as all parties maintain an attitude of respect and open-mindedness. I find it hard to understand the thinking of 'all religions are different facets of the same essential God', since there's so many huge differences (E.g. An easy example is Buddhism vs Christianity. Receiving enlightenment and then getting a good 'next life' through your own righteous deeds and actions vs "No reincarnation, you can only go to heaven via Jesus because all humans are sinners and cannot redeem themselves".) Not to sound dismissive of either religion, but those are some pretty big differences. But I suppose that it's a plausible theory. Someone once argued that if God does exist, then it is still impossible for man to understand God's will, because anything God shows us is refracted through the human mind, distorted and changed, and we end up setting the rules to religion according to what we ourselves interpret, then follow them as absolute. Therefore, there is no way to know what God's will is, what God is, anything like that. (Note: To whom this may concern, I am a Christian and do not personally believe in this argument of refraction and stuff, but I just thought I'd bring it up as a point)
Going off a tangent a bit, this reminds me of my English class. xD Somehow, within five minutes, our class discussion topic went from "Humans cannot even begin to understand God, because once you understand God, then you become on the same level as God. Then when you're on the same level as God, God disappears" (something like that) to... "Mr. Q, can you please accept my Facebook friend request? This is the third time you've ignored me!" xd :
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:54 pm
Card: Oops, my bad with my words. I was using "you" as a general term. "You" have a choice in whatever belief you want to follow. "They", means everyone who has a belief (doesn't matter what that belief they follow) placing someone as the almighty. What's interesting here, is that no matter how far apart you are (thousand of years ago), someone worships god(s) somewhere on the other side of the planet even though you hardly knew of their (people/culture/country/etc) existence. You gotta wonder how they all share something so similar, and yet be so different. o_O;
Tisha: Like a post I made in another thread. If I say something rude, point it out to me so that I can apologize and take it back (if it was bad). Other than that, I do not know why Loyal doesn't wear clothes that'll fit him. If he weren't invisible, all that skin showing is a bit... revealing for me. xD
Silent: Hey, HEY. I can be bad. It just depends on how you present yourself. Be douchy, and I'll be douchy back at ya. xD
I would like to say that later generations aren't as faithful in my family tree. Grandparents believes it whole heartedly. My parents believes in God, and are knowledgeable of other cultures/religions. My siblings and I dislike practicing it, but we still do believe in God. I believe this is all related to where we live most of our lives though.
Rose: You got me. I believe in the almighty being, but I doubt what people say are accurate in current times. I trust people of good morals, but I don't trust them enough to believe whatever they say are really straight from God. There are good rulers, but there are also bad rulers. You wouldn't know what is right from wrong, and you'll do whatever you can to make the best legal system for your people.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 3:36 pm
I see your point, Rose. But I have a bit to say about Buddhism and Christianity. They are actually more similar than you may believe.
The concept of heaven and hell first originated from Buddhism. [[Okay, I'm not for sure if it came from Hinduism, the source of Buddhism, because I just aren't as familiar with Hinduism.]] Christianity is a relatively new religion especially when compared to Buddhism.
In Buddhism, when you reach Nirvana, you've cast away yourself to reach a higher plane to become closer to God, to become a part of the bigger picture. In Christianity, you sacrifice yourself to allow the Holy Spirit, God, and/or Jesus to enter you, and then, you already are with God.
In both religions, you 'die' spiritually to be with God. In both, we have a teacher. In Christianity, Christ. In Buddhism, Buddha. Both their words and teachings were recorded down and used as sacred texts. Satan works through the forces of the world. In Buddhism, the 'bad guy', I don't know if there is a name, is the influences and distractions of the world. Both preventing connection with God.
A major difference I see is the reincarnation bit. However, in Buddhism, once you've reached Enlightenment, you no longer need to reincarnate. You reincarnate simply to try again and again and again. It's only when you do some super bad s**t you go to hell forever. With Christianity, it's more like a one-time deal. Thus, perhaps the pressure to spread the message more urgently with Christianity.
Or could perhaps a version of hell be not of fire and brimstone, which I don't believe, but actually another life again where we are doomed to sin and fail again? Just musing...
In Catholicism, are we really praying to the saints as our Gods? In Hinduism, are we really praying to the individual gods such as Shiva as our Gods? No. In both cases, we are using the individual figures to reach the ultimate God.
And I kind of actually agree with the idea that what God shows us is refracted through the human mind.
But, with the idea that as humans we can not understand God without being God, then we need some way to understand God. The miracles and signs, the messages and words, are all translated through humans to be understood by humans.
With Muhammed, it was Gabriel who spoke God's words, but Muhammed, a human, was needed to scribe the words. We have prophets in all religions, those who can heard God's words and translate them for us within their minds. It is our translations that brings up differences and separate religions. We have apostles writing books of the bible. Buddhist monks writing sutras of the vedas.
For the lack of a better word, I've been using "God" to represent my idea because of lack of a better word. [[Bleh.. Makes it sound like Inception.. The God within God! XD]]
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 4:13 pm
Well, the concept of the Christian Heaven and Hell comes from its roots in Judaism, and if I remember right, Judaism does predate the philosophy of Buddhism.
And while I'm on the subject, I always considered Buddhism as more of a philosophy than an actual religion, which is why it intertwines so well with other religions. Heck, there are even groups of Christian Buddhists.
Most of the "religious" aspects of Buddhism comes from Hinduism, even though Buddhism originated in China.
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 7:38 pm
Does anyone realize that they can post comments on the teapot topic?
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 7:40 am
I didn't know we could post in the teapot topic. Did you make a note about that before? If so, I must have forgotten about it. sweatdrop
Now I think about it, I don't know what else to say besides "it's looking good, hope to see it finished soon." I know nothing about handling clay, so there's not much I can say to improve or whatever. e_e;
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