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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:40 pm
Techpriest Enginseer Sigil is from WoW Slash uses art of the Monk from D3. The WoW Factor EDIT: I am talking out of my a** here no joke, nothing I say is actual 100% seriousness. I still laughed.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:41 pm
Sigil Warden Totally found me out, I only got a 3 in RP because I'm friends with Vintrict. Yes actually. Not "you," but the thematic of your character. You got a 3 because Vintrict loves female characters played by men and loves Skyrim. E.g. this is why, gay as HoH is, I explain every single score I assign. Every category. So people aren't playing a guessing game or just assuming I'm being an a** and going "well ******** you little guy. :3" If you can't explain why you scored something x number, you don't actually know your own opinion. [c**k slaps Slash] See, WEAK WILLED VINTRICT.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:42 pm
There's no other way to explain it. I mean, I invite you to post your comments here, but right now he can't even explain why that's so. And it's not even that I really care so much about having points added to my score, I already won, but I can't even get an answer on how to do better in future rounds? That's the point of comments. The way that my comments are, there's nothing that I can improve on. I apparently did everything perfectly. I might as well not even have them. It's nice to be complimented, but when the numbers don't reflect those compliments, it's kind of like this.  And I'm still concerned about penalties not being applied uniformly between judges. That makes no sense at all.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:43 pm
I wish I could go back and look at my fight to find what Vintrict is talking about, and to see if I really do switch between flavor and technical info so rigidly.
I guess I'll go look to see if I'm doing it with the fight against Deitric when I get off work.
but my lunch break is almost over so I may not have time.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:44 pm
SCANDAL IN THE GTB!
Don't know what happened, but I can smell the scandal.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:45 pm
In'a my eyes, numbers are only there to quantify a judge's opinion on a category.
I.E. they're to display "how much" they won or lost in that category compared to their opponent. On their own, they're really nothing.
If you don't explain why they got that score, you're not actually grading them. You're essentially just saying "I think this guy won." "Why?" "Coz." and leaving it at that, it offers nothing constructive and nothing useful to them as a writer.
Not to mention it invites this can of worms where people assume you're biased. I mean you'll get that anyway, but it's easier to go "I guess" to something you disagree with, than...
...nothing.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:46 pm
Comments are not required. We could easily just post points and say who we thought won and be done with it.
Secondly, this is a competition. You're not going to always get stuff on what to improve. You learn it yourself and you learn it through your fights. We judges point out the obvious, but we don't point out everything else. If I score someone a 2, that means their roleplay was standard and reasonable, but not worth a 3. A 3 means you got me immersed and everything made sense.
If I were to add another sentence to your review, it would be pretty much "Your roleplay was good, but not worth the top score." I don't know how you're going to get a 3. It's why we can never quantify the perfect girlfriend or the perfect video game. I won't know it until it's thrown at me out of the blue.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:48 pm
Lord Haelstrom In'a my eyes, numbers are only there to quantify a judge's opinion on a category. I.E. they're to display "how much" they won or lost in that category compared to their opponent. On their own, they're really nothing. If you don't explain why they got that score, you're not actually grading them. You're essentially just saying "I think this guy won." "Why?" "Coz." and leaving it at that, it offers nothing constructive and nothing useful to them as a writer. Not to mention it invites this can of worms where people assume you're biased. I mean you'll get that anyway, but it's easier to go "I guess" to something you disagree with, than... ...nothing. You know what else is biased? Fighting sport decision by judges. They don't have to explain anything. You get your scores and judgments, and be done with it.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:48 pm
Lord Haelstrom Sigil Warden Totally found me out, I only got a 3 in RP because I'm friends with Vintrict. Yes actually. Not "you," but the thematic of your character. You got a 3 because Vintrict loves female characters played by men and loves Skyrim. E.g. this is why, gay as HoH is, I explain every single score I assign. Every category. So people aren't playing a guessing game or just assuming I'm being an a** and going "well ******** you little guy. :3" If you can't explain why you scored something x number, you don't actually know your own opinion. [c**k slaps Slash] See, WEAK WILLED VINTRICT. I guess you know something I don't. :3
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:49 pm
I'd like to take this oportunity to point out, to no specific judge in attendence, that...apparently...my character is the force which vexes all good reason.
Because in one tournament I get judged poorly for tanking, and not properly handling damage (Despite a huge list of injuries, and not using any of the specified body parts so heavily injured...Such as not moving my legs with a herniated groin, or trying to punch with an injured hand)...Likely because the character was experiencing pain immunity from being kicked in the nuts while he was down from an -almost- heart attack.
And, in another, I get incredible scores for doing nearly the exact same thing (minus rage) but still got kicked down in score because Dithakar, the warrior monk, used a desperate throw to try and change the course of battle...and just so happened to hit upon the one major weakness of my opponent; Killing them accidentally. <******** it...I'm playing Matel characters from now on. pirate
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:49 pm
Vintrict Comments are not required. We could easily just post points and say who we thought won and be done with it. Secondly, this is a competition. You're not going to always get stuff on what to improve. You learn it yourself and you learn it through your fights. We judges point out the obvious, but we don't point out everything else. If I score someone a 2, that means their roleplay was standard and reasonable, but not worth a 3. A 3 means you got me immersed and everything made sense. If I were to add another sentence to your review, it would be pretty much "Your roleplay was good, but not worth the top score." I don't know how you're going to get a 3. It's why we can never quantify the perfect girlfriend or the perfect video game. I won't know it until it's thrown at me out of the blue. As your paid consultant, I suggest you swallow a little bit of pride and work on getting a good criteria down since it is an issue that people have. If you grade something, you need to know what gives a 3 and how people can get it. It never explains on the rubric what constitutes a 2 or a 3. Pull up Vin, pull up!
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:50 pm
Vintrict If I score someone a 2, that means their roleplay was standard and reasonable, but not worth a 3. A 3 means you got me immersed and everything made sense. ...And so a one means the roleplaying was substandard and unreasonable. You know I must admit, Substandard and unreasonable are not typically things I hear about my play style.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:51 pm
Vintrict You know what else is biased? Fighting sport decision by judges. They don't have to explain anything. You get your scores and judgments, and be done with it. So your not even trying to be consistent are you?
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:52 pm
..lol. Fight judges - like the UFC - aren't that biased. They have a very strict rubric they follow that helps determine their scores. Example: a successful takedown that your opponent doesn't immediately get up from will usually earn you a point.
There's some bias, but their system is way more objective than any roleplay tournament. The only time you get really subjective is like.. freeform gymnastics and ice-skating. But the judging for UFC, boxing, etc is designed to marginalize bias, and unlike roleplaying, it's usually pretty clear when one fighter gets an advantage.
Same thing with wrestling judges. They score you on takedowns, control, pin attempts, and so on. It's actually a fairly rigid system in terms of minimizing bias. It's still there, but it's way harder to get a BIG point difference. Bias usually accounts for one, maybe two points.
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:53 pm
Techpriest Enginseer As your paid consultant, I suggest you swallow a little bit of pride and work on getting a good criteria down since it is an issue that people have. If you grade something, you need to know what gives a 3 and how people can get it. It never explains on the rubric what constitutes a 2 or a 3. Pull up Vin, pull up! It's not really pride. It's really "I can't tell you what makes for a 3." I could try a criteria later on, but Molestia people are still going to whine about it. I sometimes mix roleplay with logic, too, and that shares some traits with the Tactic category, so there's that, too. If someone does something stupid, it counts against their roleplay score, too. That's probably the only thing that could be quantified, but the majority of what scores roleplay is subjective.
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