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 Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 5:24 am
purple panther lymelady Ace xAngel I've never gone to something like mass before and, I don't really plan to but..either way, good luck on that, 3nodding it's just a group of people who believe in Jesus meeting and reliving the last supper, basically. Catholics really believe that the bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ, which I know sounds laughable but please, please no one laugh at me for it because it really is my belief that receiving communion is receiving Christ. It's a very serious thing for me and I'd rather not be argued with that it can't possibly be true. my church takes comunion once or twice a year to keep is special. which makes sence because when I went to a catholic church I remember how comunion meant that church would be over soon, and thats all I cared lol. I think of it like I think of desert....the best is at the last. I'm odd like that though.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 11:39 am
how can they do that to her? How can they order her to death by starvation, how can they look at the guy pushing for it, who has a girlfriend and two kids with his girlfriend, and decide he wants her dead for her own good anyway, not so that he can use her rehab money and start a new life with his girlfriend and kids? HOW? How in the world does anyone with any decent morals in them turn the right to die into the right to kill the burdens? How do you withhold communion? SHe's not even allowed communion. That's twisted. SHe's gonna starve to death, painfully, and slowly, has the opportunity for last rites and for communinon but they won't give her communion because it counts as food, they won't even let the priest touch it to her lips. How twisted do you have to be to try and withhold God from a dying person as much as you possibly can? It makes me sick. I'd never be able to do that. If for some reason I decided someone should have their life support removed without their consent, I'd at least allow that person to observe religious traditions. It's the least you can do, I mean, you're sentencing her to death. How can they keep communion from her? It's not that I think you need communion to go to heaven, it's that it's so...I can't explain about communion, I really can't, I can't put it in words, and they take that right away from a person they're killing slowly and painfully. I'm so upset.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:05 pm
Well, you know, if her parents actually kill you for taking her to communion, they would be arrested and thrown in jail. xp
*hugs Lyme* Don't worry, I'm sure it will work out. You should take your friend to church, etc. Tell her about Jesus and try and get her to get saved.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 12:39 pm
my cousin's parents? They wouldn't, but they'd be livid. and spout christian hate to my cousin, who's only about 9 and would believe them. When she's old enough to understand I intend to take her, but...I'd rather she be old enough to be able to stand up to her parents.
And Terri Schiavo's what's got me so mad. She's Catholic. Her husband won't let her have communion. that's just so...I dunno. I'd rather my husband literally backstab me than keep communion from me.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:15 pm
I hope everything goes well with your cousin.
He doesn't let her have communion? That's just so...mean. It should be her descion. Communion is something big and wiether you take or not should be up to that person if you ask me.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:09 pm
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:30 pm
Eowyn_of_Rohan I hope everything goes well with your cousin.
He doesn't let her have communion? That's just so...mean. It should be her descion. Communion is something big and wiether you take or not should be up to that person if you ask me. she's mentally handicapped. She's not PVS but she doesn't function on a normal level. She was getting better. Lol, sorry, I just got so upset. I triggered my lyme again, and my face went numb. again redface Maybe I should be one of the "happy apathetic people" from now on, lol.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:24 pm
I think you might be focousing on the husband too much.. Yeah, he wants her taken off life support, for maybe not the best reasons, but maybe its' whats' best for her?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 4:01 pm
I see ya'll are talking about the Schiavo case.I'm for taking the feeding tube out. After watching video of her their in the bed, I've come up with to possiblities. Frist, she is either traped in a body with know way of contacting anyone and is suffering becuase of it. Or the body is souless and it is only able to repsoble based on natural reflexes. I know this example is a little on the sexual side, but it has been known that a man can still get an erection even shorty after the man dies as long is the body is still warm so the blood can flow.
I am mad the the Christian down there with the "Thou shalt not kill." Instead of praying for the tube to be place back in. They need to pray for our Father to have His way, or least for a healing. I guess they forget that our Father can heal anyone from anything. If they want her here, pray for a healing. If you are not going to pray for a healing, then let her go home to be with our Father. Least there she will be fully healthy and in paridise.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:29 pm
xXSnuffXx I think you might be focousing on the husband too much.. Yeah, he wants her taken off life support, for maybe not the best reasons, but maybe its' whats' best for her? she was responding to therapy but he pulled her out. Years ago. she was starting to talk, she was starting to swallow, and he pulled her out. It's not just letting them take the tubes out. They won't let her be fed. People are praying, a lot, but acting too. I dunno. If someone ever does that to me, I hope to high heaven he ends up in hell with me so I can torment him. I'm convinved I'm ending up in hell, btw, won't let it stop me from trying to do good, but I think I'm pretty much there.
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:41 pm
Why do you say that, Lyme?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 7:42 pm
lymelady xXSnuffXx I think you might be focousing on the husband too much.. Yeah, he wants her taken off life support, for maybe not the best reasons, but maybe its' whats' best for her? she was responding to therapy but he pulled her out. Years ago. she was starting to talk, she was starting to swallow, and he pulled her out. It's not just letting them take the tubes out. They won't let her be fed. People are praying, a lot, but acting too. I dunno. If someone ever does that to me, I hope to high heaven he ends up in hell with me so I can torment him. I'm convinved I'm ending up in hell, btw, won't let it stop me from trying to do good, but I think I'm pretty much there. Yeah, I'm with you. And yeah, he sounds like an idiot. I didn't know about that. But for her current condition, I think maybe its' better for her?
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Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2005 9:38 pm
the process can take up to 9 days of slowly, painfully dying.
I dunno, I'd rather be shot or let live, it'd be less pain. Less confusion. She's mentally handicapped, not a subhuman-being, and that's what politicians are treating her like. If it was oxygen or something, I'd be not so mad, but feeding and hydration? It's gonna hurt her a whole heck of a lot more than anything she's having now. And not allowing her the religious rites she would want to have. That's one thing everyone, even her husband agrees on, she was Christian and had a firm belief in God. She'd want annointing of the sick if she knew that she was dying. It's sick that they keep it from her. Even murderers traditionally get final requests, but a woman who's been injured beyond the ability to function normally? Of course not! It's so...I'm just picturing being hurt, confused, wondering where my mother is, and she does recognize her mother, being in pain and feeling alone, wondering what in the world is happening. Annointing of the sick is a reassuring and very peace-bringing thing. When I got it before surgery, I felt so good. No matter how it went God was with me and it was just a reminder. Even if she can't remember who God is, I"m sure she can feel Him. How a human being can be left to die like that is so...I dunnno. It's so sad.
That I'm going to hell? I'm just sure of it. I'm not supposed to be here. And I don't deserve heaven. I suppose no one does, but I really don't deserve it, I'm not a good person and if I don't go to hell, it's going to be a vacant place indeed. I try, but it just doesn't work. Doesn't stop me from trying but it's sorta like how some days I wake up knowing I can't make it to school but I push it aside and make myself get up, go, and stop thinking about it, but then end up gettin sent home by the nurse. Keep failing. Which is sorta okay I suppose, but I'm a muddler and I think I always will be. And heaven's only for people God wanted, anyway. Satan takes the rejects.
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 9:45 am
Wait a sec, are you basing salvation on works? If so, then don't. If not, then quit worrying. Everybody deserves Hell, but because of the grace and mercy and love that He has for us, He sent His son to die for us. That was the only way we could have salvation and forgiveness of our sins. If you accepted His son, Jesus Christ, as savior and lord of your life, then hey, you got a free one-way ticket to heaven. Anyway, I'm sure I'm a worse person than you are, so if it was based on works (and it's not), I'd be screwed, and guess what? None of us are perfect, so we'd all be there with you.
Er...sorry. Didn't mean to go off like that. xp
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 6:05 pm
I said no one desrves heaven. But you need to do good works to accept Jesus. Honeslty, it does no good to say, Yeah, I believe in Jesus, and then go against everything He taught. You aren't following Jesus, you aren't being a good CHristian, and you're not really accepting Him if you reject His teachings....that's about as far as my faith in good works goes. If all you do is bad, you're not following Jesus. If you don't love, you aren't following Jesus and you're fooling yourself to think you believe in Him if you don't follow what he taught. You may believe He existed, but you obviously don't believe He was right since you're not following it.
God didn't want me. I dunno why I'm here. I'm supposedly not supposed to be here. I can do nothing good on this earth and serve no purpose but to perpetuate evil, apparently. I can't follow Jesus. I can't accept Jesus. So I"m pretty much screwed I guess.
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