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 Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:10 pm
How did Kurogane ever defeat Tomoyo?
Hmm... In book one she has some... thing in front of her hands when she's putting the curse on him or something, I think. But I'm not sure what I'm talking about so don't mind me. *also talking from memory...*
I personally thought emotions were a weakness (usually). Protection is a good thing, yes, but when you're protecting someone/something else you're not really protecting yourself. But I shouldn't talk, I'm really protective IRL. x_x
Syaoran was cloned to NOT have emotions. It was supposed to be beneficial to him, so I'm assuming it is. Not having emotions seems to be working well for him now anyway.
I tend to look at things negatively if you somehow couldn't tell. I apologize.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:21 am
I don't know...I think Phiso has a good point. Isn't always the moral of the story that you should care about others and not just yourself? If you have more love for other people that makes you stronger because you have something to live for and they can encourage you to keep going. Right now, C/Syaoran doesn't have that in a sense so it would be easier for him to give up because he's only concerened with himself and the feathers.
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:00 pm
Phiso: lol... the magic circles are called "mahouji". They occur a lot in any manga, CLAMP or no. (instant thoughts: D.N.Angel and Negima!) So the fact that Fai doesn't use one shows that his magic is EXTREMELY UNIQUE! The circle thing that Tomoyo-hime is holding is the curse wink
Nihon's magic doesn't use mahouji either, it seems. So maybe the style of Ceres is at least vaguely similar to that of Nihon. Kurogane still has a chance!!!! cool
c/Syaoran was made not to have emotions but when r/Syaoran gave him his heart, FWR was like "this won't have any problems" *cough cough* So having emotions probably does have some sort of advantage. Isa's right, no fighting type is stonger or weaker than the other.
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Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:02 pm
Okay... I guess it's me, VS... you three. I'm still not backing down.
Don't really care if you disagree with "the facts" and I know there's a good chance I may be wrong (as is there a good chance that you may be). It's CLAMP. CLAMP is the ruler of unpredictable manga, I think.
But anyway, my point is, I just think it's rather hard to believe that Kurogane and Syaoran are going to get in a fight and "that's that." So, what if Kuro kills Syao. Now what? And do you honestly think he's not going to be shedding any blood in such an important battle? Hell no. And in a fight like this, I'd think something unpredictable would happen (like Kuro DYING, nobody expects that.) I think he'll at least be badly hurt.
The thing I also believe may be possible is that IF the clone is killed, his "heart" or whatever the hell exists in there will be sent to the tube with Sakura. BUT, I personally think that it's already there. So who cares.
I'm not saying "THIS IS DEFNITLY GUNNA HAPPN GUYZ", I'm saying that I don't think things are going to be so easy and predictable. When are they EVER?Quote: I don't know...I think Phiso has a good point. Isn't always the moral of the story that you should care about others and not just yourself? Quote: Isa's right, no fighting type is stonger or weaker than the other.
I disagree. Why?
Picture this:
I'm a black belt, and I'm downtown at 1 am. Uhoh, what's this? Some shady character is 20 feet away from me with a gun. He wants my money. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to run over and kick that gun outta his hand!
10 steps into the run, I'm shot to the ground. O noez.
That's what I'm talking about.
Edit: One more thing. WHEEEENNNNN DID KUROGANE DEFEAT TOMOYO? I asked before but it wasn't answered.
Cause I don't recall it ever happening. The closest he got to ever defeating her was... uh... ignoring her orders. And somehow I do recall that uh... maybe Kurogane didn't want to leave Japan? Strange how he got sent to current Japan anyway, even though he was flailing and screaming to free himself of whatever MAGIC thingy she used to send him to another dimension.
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:49 pm
Lol, I will agree with you on a lot of that. Particularly the last point, there's no fact to back it up. :S
Anyhow.... CLAMP is known to be twisted, so Syao-kun's got a really good point there. And knowing their contract with Shonen Magazine, the battle scene (if there will be one) will probably take like 2 months.... sweatdrop
Another thought came into my head, with Fai sorta half wanting to kill himself, why wouldn't he verse c/Syaoran. He has nothing to lose and if he dies... *poof* there goes c/Syaoran's magic. And if c/Syaoran dies... Sakura will hate him... okay so it's not exactly win-win situation, but it's not lose-lose either.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 11:05 am
Glad y ou agree. xd
Well, there is something that makes it a bad idea for Fay to fight Syaoran. If he dies/loses... well... guess where his other eyeball is gonna go? Yum.
I also thought of something, off topic. It's about Fay's... uh... "other"... I never thought Fay'd have a twin, that just sounded stupid to me. I also thought it would be pretty stupid if Fay had a clone. Either way, how would Fay have memories from inside of the tower and from outside? Didn't the other Fay fall from the tower somehow?
It seems that Ashura-ou "took him out" at one point. So, how? Notice that Fay's like... locked up. And who knows how long. Someone was keeping him in there for whatever reason. Well, that said... it would probably be best if Fay snuck out somehow. SO HERE'S MY IDEA: It's not a clone, it's not a sibling, it was a copy. Ashura-ou perhaps made a copy, leaving the copy in the tower and letting the "real Fay" escape. However, they're both alive, they're the same people. But when FWR talked to him, Fay chose his freed self over the one in the tower, even though he was a real person. Only one of them should survive, right?
I thought it was a copy because from what I remember, the two are exactly the same. With a clone, you are two seperate people and you could be raised differently. So what you wear, how you look (besides how your DNA makes you appear and stuff) can vary. But both Fay's have the same hair, same ragged clothes, etc, right?
I hope that makes sense. So, basically I'm saying that Ashura-ou made a copy of Fay in order to take him out.
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:29 pm
wow, I miss a few days off the internet and suddenly everyone is bringing on the posts. First of all, I don't think we meant to gange up on you Syao-kun. Gomen ne. You made some really good points and you are right about CLAMP'S warped sense of "happiness." I mean look at what they did to poor Sorata-san in X! crying That's why I like them because they're not your typical manga artists. They take their themes very seriously and deep. You do make some good points and they are taken into consideration but like I said, there are pros and cons to magic and physical attacks. I would think magic would tire you out faster but that's just my philosphy. (Because obviously I wouldn't know.... stare oh but i wish i did! that'd be so cool!)
Anyway and I do like your theory about the copy. That sounds possible. Maybe the copy was the "price." I mean, I don't think FWR opperates like Yuuko does but maybe it's a law of the cosmos or something....
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 2:23 pm
Give me a sec to find the quote from xxxHOLiC Quote: Yuuko: Proper compensaion must be made for offered goods or services. One must not offer too much for the payment. One must not charge too much for the product. Reasonable... equitable... and fair. If it isn't, someone gets hurt. Wata: hurt? What gets hurt? Yuuko: your body in the material world. Your fortune in the celestial world. You soul in the heavenly world. It was FWR who offered Fai freedom, right? Well.. maybe so that FWR wouldn't be insane, he had to follow above rules. I like your doppleganger theory, Syao-kun. Sorry, that was the first word that came into my head.
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 5:36 pm
Hi I have been reading all of your interesting comments about Fay's eye and well that may me think in the last chapter he says that he will tray his eye to go where Sakura soul is or her body what ever. But didn't Fay say that he will die if both of his eyes are gone and that means that Kurogane too. Wouldn it. That's what I remember. 3nodding
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:41 pm
Kurogane wouldn't die if Fai died. It's the other way around. Fai physically can't live now with Kurogane.
And the thing about paying the eye: Fai will die if both his eyes are physically removed from him, but not if the sight is removed. Pretty much, Fai is going blind on a gamble that they'll meet up with c/Syaoran again and he can take the eye back.
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Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 7:08 am
Which is so sad! But I want to get going now! When is chapter 152 supposed to come out!!!??? crying
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Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 4:28 pm
UmaMandy Kurogane wouldn't die if Fai died. It's the other way around. Fai physically can't live now with Kurogane. And the thing about paying the eye: Fai will die if both his eyes are physically removed from him, but not if the sight is removed. Pretty much, Fai is going blind on a gamble that they'll meet up with c/Syaoran again and he can take the eye back. oH Okay thank you now it's more clear to me, I got confusse thank you 4laugh but will Fay be able to use magic?
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 7:20 am
Oh-noes!!! FWR wanted Syaoran to be killed??? So....sakura changed it by making HER the one to be stabbed...but i thought that Angelic Layer guy said that Fai was supposed to kill them all AFTER stabbing sakura...was he wrong? Confused!!! xp
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Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:51 pm
No. I think it just depends on the situation or something. Hard to tell.
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