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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 12:23 pm
It's Ardenstein. He's alive!!!!
Or not really...
Anyways, Arden obviously does suck as a unit. But to his credit, he's at least a little bit more useful than Hannibal another late comer general in FE4.(Oh we'll get to him soon too) Though, that's not saying much because armors in FE4 are just completely inferior to mounts. He is the only one that can activate a special event in chapter 2 which gives him the pursuit ring... Although, It just takes forever to move him to that spot which is a pain. And it's better to give that ring to someone else that can benefit from it like Noishe for instance?
Maps in FE4 is very different compared to the other FE games in the series. The idea is to capture all of the forts located all over these huge vast maps, and of course it moves the plot forward. Armors are not worth using because they're just way TOO slow in this game.
The only way to move them around ,if you're actually serious about using them is with warp or dancing. I haven't had the patience to get Arden to level 20 because I really don't see the point of doing it. If he was in FE5 or a entirely different FE game, he might not be in such a bad position.
WHY EVERYONE MAKE FUN OF ARDEN? ARDEN ANGRY! ARDEN SMASH!
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:32 pm
SOMEONE needs to be the butt of the joke. Arden assumes that role with pride almost.
And if he were removed from the game, no Pursuit Ring would actually be a very substantial loss. So there is that. He's actually indirectly very useful for what he gets you that way!
Leveling him? Knight in FE4? I'd rather pull teeth. But I suppose some fun antics could be derived from showering him with favoritism and resources to perform decently.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:24 am
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:54 pm
Actually, it would seem that Arden's hulk/hick talk is being thrown out in the new translation of FE4 that's currently in the works. And I'm happy about that. Arden's got enough problems without having an accent that makes him sound like a dingus.
Perhaps one day he will find love....
Though to be fair, you can't really get too mad at Arden. After all, he's a free unit. You get him from the word go and can use him as much as you want. But of course he probably won't be able to pull his own weight, pun totally intended. But to his credit you don't have to do a huge song and dance to recruit him, which would make him a better draft pick than Hannibal, at least.
If I wasn't feeling so down right now I'd hunt for manga pictures of him, like him in puffy clothes claiming to be Sigurd from the Nuts Fujimori manga. Someone, hop to it in my place.
Also, he made it into Awakening. WHO'S THE SLOWBY NOW? I DON'T SEE NOISHE AND ALEC ANYWHERE! WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:06 pm
ThePersonInFrontOfYou Actually, it would seem that Arden's hulk/hick talk is being thrown out in the new translation of FE4 that's currently in the works. And I'm happy about that. Arden's got enough problems without having an accent that makes him sound like a dingus. Perhaps one day he will find love.... Though to be fair, you can't really get too mad at Arden. After all, he's a free unit. You get him from the word go and can use him as much as you want. But of course he probably won't be able to pull his own weight, pun totally intended. But to his credit you don't have to do a huge song and dance to recruit him, which would make him a better draft pick than Hannibal, at least. If I wasn't feeling so down right now I'd hunt for manga pictures of him, like him in puffy clothes claiming to be Sigurd from the Nuts Fujimori manga. Someone, hop to it in my place. Also, he made it into Awakening. WHO'S THE SLOWBY NOW? I DON'T SEE NOISHE AND ALEC ANYWHERE! WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH! Sorry to hear you're feeling down friend. emotion_hug But yes, picking Hannibal over Arden was a mistake I made in the FE4 draft... Also Arden in Sigurd's clothes? Now THAT I've gotta see. Truth be told, I haven't been huge into manga as I used to in the past.. But when I get the chance I'll definitely take a peek at the Nuts Fujimori manga.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:04 pm
It's Virion Week!
Thanks for posting.
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 1:41 am
Ahh... It's Virion eh? We gotta talk about this guy. Well, he's the very first archer you'll get at level 2. His starting weapon is the iron bow and he has a D rank in bows. It won't be too long until he'll be able rise to C rank in bows which means better bow weapons like the Archer/Sniper exclusive longbow for the 3 range shots. Or the mighty killer bow for that awesome critical power.
I've used Virion in the past, and he's actually not too bad of a unit. He can be very reliable to you if you stick with him. Right off the bat, he's not particularly strong in speed so more than often he might have trouble doubling certain enemies.I find him to be more efficient in skill and strength. Though, he can definitely hold his own against a good chunk of enemies. He's great to bring along to shoot down those pesky fliers.
Skill wise he comes with Skill +2 and eventually he could learn prescience for that +15 hit and evasion.When promoted to the Sniper class he'll gain hit rate +20 and Bowfaire. Not too shabby for some extra hit power. Interestingly enough, he has the option to reclass to the Wyvern rider and mage class. Though, I've never tried either of those myself. Hm, It might be fun to experiment with the Wyvern Rider class at some point... But I rather liked him as the Bow Rider since mounts with bows are cool. And believe they get Bowbreaker and Rally Skill both of which aren't too bad either.
Now his character does sorta remind me of Sain from FE7. When I first played awakening that was kind of what came to my mind. And while he does flirt with the ladies, there's also this sense of nobility about him,(Obviously he had to flee his country along with another lovely young lady who we'll talk about soon). Sure he might be a bit of a goof at times, but there are times when he can be very insightful in terms of strategy. I rather liked the supports with the male MU and Virion. Aside from that, dare I say this...But most of his supports are generally in the alright category for me. The supports with him and Frederick are kind of boring to me....
Pairing wise, I've tried Sully/Virion and Cherche/Virion. I liked both of them just fine.
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Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 8:21 pm
The super easy summary of Virion for me is as follows:
Fantastic character. Mediocre unit.
Mediocre by Awakening standards, that is. Because virtually everyone is usable and can be made to contribute. And Virion is no exception, but when everyone is meeting the bare minimum, the new measurement is how much you're doing in comparison and Virion really has a number of counts against him.
-Locked to Mono bows before reclassing/promoting (depending on promotion path).
I had intitially thought the pair up system would finally bring balance to units with severe disadvantages like bow-lock and low movement, and it DOES definitely help them, but not quite enough to make their disadvantages meaningless (definitely for the mono bow tragedy, at least. Kellam really benefits from Pair Up and his Great Knight promotion). For the disadvantage not to matter, you have to be the support partner which makes it much harder to level up quickly. Giving Virion the front means being locked mono-bow. And the majority of combat frequently happens on the enemy phase unless you're Galeforking through something in 1-2 turns. In which case unless you contribute to the Galefork strategy in someway you're going to have a tough time leveling well anyway.
-Underwhelming Pair up contributions.
In comparison to other classes very frequently enough, at least. Skill is often one of the less important stats and other classes either offer more bonuses to more stats of big boosts to stats you want pumped as high as possible.
It's not like he's REALLY bad, but if I had to pick between just about any other gen 1 father character and Virion, I'd probably pick the alternative.
If you are using him, even for Galeforking it up, if you can push him into Bow Knight Level 5 territory by the time the Galeforking is going on he's an additional Rally groupie, which never hurts. He'll also boost movement and have good mobility which is nice. I remember doing Griffon Ridert!Cherche/Bow Knight!Virion one playtrhough and Virion's movement boost to Cherche on top of deliverer was pretty nice. Cherche saw WAY more combat though. I had to go out of my way to make sure Virion got enough kills in the front to continue to be relevant.
And bow users do come in handy for fliers. So does Wind magic which is MUCH more flexible, but you can't complain when you're getting bonus damage.
-And then his reclass options.
Mage is pretty much a waste. So it's basically just bows and wyverns. He COULD hypothetically go Bow Knight for Bow Breaker and then to a Flying class. But is it really worth doing all that when you could just to avoid an occasional counter you can play around? Probably not. Especially if he has to go back to E rank weapon levels. By the time you'd get to that point the game would nearly be finished.
For post-game, having access to a Faire skill IS always a plus, so he's at an advantage against many of his gen one peers there already, at least. So at worst he could rock Limit Breaker/Aggressor/Bowfaire/filler/filler. Unfortunately, he doesn't have particularly good filler options for an overall impressive skill set. I suppose he could take Deliverer as a Bow Knight for impressive mobility and Lifetaker to have... something. Aside from the Bowfaire he really doesn't have any exceptional skills wanted for post-game for the most part.
For parenting, I DO use him for my post-game file in spite of all the negatives I've just said about him. To Inigo. It's arguably more about character than stats, because the mods aren't anything special at all. The hair color is super close to Inigo's default hair and I do really love having the womanizer of gen 1 father the womanizer of gen 2. He gives three classes to Inigo of mostly useless skills but giving Inigo skills to inherit isn't really important because he gets sooooo many good ones through his mother already. All he really needed was Bowfaire since he's a Bow Knight for me and my designated Gen 2 Bow user, so it's nice for him to choose between Bow or Swordfaire as I need him to.
Pairing-wise, while I think he makes a lot of sense as Inigo's father, as a husband Virion/Cherche is a pretty straightforward choice with a lot going for it.
I'll talk about Virion's character later. Because it probably deserves its own post. Fantastic character.
Short story long, Virion has shown me that unless the series takes some drastic changes to be more like Gaiden, mono-bow users by necessity will never be towards the top. Just the way it's going to be.
Although Longbows ARE awesome for Lunatic mode.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:27 pm
I'm just gonna leave it as Virion for a while yet.
Thanks for posting Rhys! It's greatly appreciated.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:55 pm
No prob FD. I'm always happy to contribute! xp
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:51 pm
Seems like Virion isn't very popular~
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Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:04 pm
Yeah, I kept it as Virion week for two weeks because Awakening is the one game most of us have played and the most people would been able to talk about. I'll keep them all down to the regular week going forward it looks like.
It's now Arran Week. The FE11/12/1/3 unit. Not to be mistaken with a Soldier of Daein of a similar name.
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Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:56 pm
Ill Paladin Arran.
After the war he died of illness.
I'm convinced FE3 could have put a better ending, but didn't.
As far as pre-promoted earlygame paladins go, in FE3 book 2 he's got it pretty bad. He can wield a silver lance, sure, but only four chapters in, a way better, more consistant, more story relevant, totally-not-camus paladin comes onto the scene and Arran can kiss his niche goodbye. I've only played FE3 though once so I can't talk about using him consistantly through the game, but I do know that having no growths higher than 10% isn't exactly prime resume material and your star shards can go to far better use. For comparison his book one growths are, you know, usable and stuff.
Whatever sickness he has, it certainly did a number on his numbers.
New Mystery is kinder to Arran. His growth rates are still fairly low but reclassing gives him potential he wouldn't have had otherwise. He's still fairly useful in both games at least for a little while, but even though Sirius makes all cavaliers in the game shrink like it's a cold day in the locker room, Arran is more viable as the game goes on... but would you use him? That's still the question.
In FE12 he gets some support conversations too. I haven't gotten them all myself due to... well, not using him all game, but I did get a conversation between FeMU and Arran that involves MU asking him what it means to be a knight, and Arran replying that he still hasn't found out and is unworthy to answer the question due to the fact that he was a wandering fighter for hire and has served more than one master. Combined with him, naturally, coughing and gasping and replying "it's nothing" when asked about it. Even though we know that he's a dead man walking. Fittingly dour. Sounds like Arran is one of the characters that remembers he's in Mystery of the Emblem. I wish I had the rest of his conversations to judge, but I don't. It's a great opportunity for Arran's character and Mystery of the Emblem's Mystery of the Emblem-ness to shine through in a way it might not have in FE3. Can't say for sure though since I can't find the other conversations on the 'net, and since Sirius' MU conversations started fine but eventually made me want to chuck things out the window, I can't make assumptions.
alright alright there we go. Maybe someone else can talk about shadow dragon and build on that and stuff, but even though I'm crazy busy, I wanted to rep for Archanea a bit. Not sure how coherent this is, but keep the ball rolling.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 9:31 pm
Nice of you to start things off Tiki~ wink That is a terrible ending indeed... Although I do love the CG art endings for Mystery of the Emblem...
Arran oh Arran...You certainly had the short of the stick. Although, his portrait is kind of cool I guess? Anyways, originally Arran/or Alan as some may call him, made his appearance in Dark Dragon and the Sword of Light. He's basically the 2nd pre promote choice candidate you'll get in the chapter of liberating Altea. There's two villages that can be saved, if you decide to take the left village you'll get Arran, a level 1 Paladin, and over on the right is the blue haired hero Samson.(And well he's kind of ehh... But we'll talk about him later).
Personally If it were up to me, I would definitely take Arran over Samson. One of the advantages he has is that well, he's a mount and he's at least usable in the ds remake as far as I'm concerned with the reclassing options available. Unfortunately I never used him in the original, so I can't really talk about him much. Maybe someday I'll use him and get a better opinion of him.
However, book 2 Arran on the other hand I have used quite a bit in the original Mystery of the Emblem. It's true that he is a mediore paladin unit, but to his credit he's at least very useful early on in the game. Like particularly in the chapter where you need to recruit Rikard, you'll really need both him and Sirius more than ever in order to block those thieves from getting away. Also, back then you couldn't set up your formation like you could in later installments of the series. But after that chapter you get Rikard, his usefulness dramatically drops.
Statwise, his bases isn't exactly very impressive. He does have alright res for block some of the earlier enemy mages which can help in situations, low luck, and the rest of his stats are just average. Plus. he has 0% growths like Tiki had mentioned already, so the only way he could possibly become better is if you abuse some orbs on him. Or stat boosting items... But really what is the point of doing that? Arran is totally outclassed by so many potentially better mounts you could be using. There's Luke, Cecil, Rody, Sirius, Cain, Abel... You're kind of already set here.
In the DS remake of Mystery of the Emblem, I could see being much better in that game. Like with Shadow Dragon, there's a reclass system to give him variety and you actually have a lot of time to use him. But again, with so many units to choose from he's still very much inferior. But I could still see him being used consistently as a unit.
I haven't gotten any supports so I can't speak on as a character there. From what I can tell, he just seems like a young experienced serious kind of knight. At least, that is what I'm getting from his expression of his mug. Although, what Tiki said about his first support conversation does intrigue me as a character.
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2014 7:25 pm
It's fun to play as doomed characters. Especially in a series with death mechanics like Fire Emblem has. Heey Canas, how you doin'? Hey Karla.
But I think Arran is the original. And it's always interesting how doomed character are in multiple games if only by allusion and you always seem to only play the doomed character in the later incarnation:
-Arran isn't a fighting corpse in FE11/Book 1. But IS in Book 2/FE12. -Karla is established as dead in FE6 which dooms her in FE7. -Pretty much the same with Canas thanks to his mother and son. -Toyed with very interestingly with Hector explaining the nature of his doom in FE7 to die in FE6. -Roy's mother.
So Arran, the original dead man walking. As the jeigan I'm guessing he has to be better in 12 than 3 because of reclassing. he can immediately access Dragon Knight since he's promoted while the vast majority of your units cannot reclass to a flying class immediately. I know for certain that provides some utility in the earliest chapters of FE12 between catching bandits with valuables and visiting hard-to-reach caves (iirc). Any time you have mount utility it's pretty much impossible to be COMPLETELY useless. So... I guess that's something. Still probably THE worst jeigan in the series since SRS joins so early on.
And even then, he has his uses. I think Arran is a fantastic explanation of just how valuable good availability is in making a unit useful at all because I'm simultaneously willing to Call him the worst jeigan in the series but also more useful in FE12 than FE11.
Why?
Because by the time he comes in FE11 and IF you get him instead of Samson (I can never remember which one is for which village, I always get the one that's closer) you'll inevitably have plenty of viable units to do the job. And this is Archanea we're talking about so there are TONS of units to pick from making the vast majority of them less special. But in FE12 he can reliably provide utility that very, very few can compete with since very few are around to.
So even in being the worst of his kind, FE12 Arran is a testament to how useful the jeigan archetype is even at its worst. And for that, the dead man speaks volumes even from his pre-ordained grave.
Good on you, Arran. And you have cool armor.
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