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Long as they're cooler than the Wonder Twins.... bucket of water!

lol wonder twins. that reminded me of when the brother tripped out one of the cartoon network commercials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r8CBl6dwl4

and of course.. biggrin
http://www.g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/blog/post/697553/aots-video-classic-profiles-of-justice-the-wonder-twins/


r.i.p aots emo

DC's been trying to make Aquaman "cool" for years. It has yet to persuade me.

That's where I'm at a disadvantage. I've never really read DC so my only exposure has been television and movies.

But I have respect for the man of the waters. He gets his own table at my wedding reception. Haha!

That's perfectly fine.

Honestly? I never really cared for Batman, he's just not as interesting a character to me as Nightwing or Red Arrow. He's got his own things going for him, but I just always thought d**k Grayson was a better character, at least post-Crisis anyway.

For the longest time Red Arrow was my favorite DC character, but DC had to ******** everything up by doing Justice League: Cry for Justice and the follow-up Rise of Arsenal/Fall of Green Arrow which just turned him into a complete idiot not worth the effort to read his books, and then the New 52 which just completely rewrote the character into a frat boy douchebag(and in the same book they turned Starfire into a dumbass bimbo and Red Hood just kept going as a completely worthless character not worth the ink he's printed on).

The reboot ******** everyone but the Bat family up(with few exceptions). I try not to let stupid company decisions ruin too many of the things I like from that universe though, otherwise I would have hated Marvel ages ago, since they're practically a factory for stupid decisions.

I have to disagree with you there. I thought Avengers vs. X-Men was a terrible event comic.

The reason so many people hate event comics these days is because the major companies don't believe in consequences apparently. There are almost no consequences for any of the crossovers since Civil War because once one event is over, instead of letting the universe settle for a moment to establish the new status quo, we just move right on to the next one, and the next one, and the next one, and in the end the only thing they really end up doing is just providing shock deaths that mean next to nothing because (especially Marvel) they're just gonna come back a year or two later. I mean, say what you wanna say about how bad House of M was, but at least it had lasting consequences(though a lot would argue that all it did was open the floodgates after Avengers Disassembled, and that's actually not an unfair argument), same with Civil War and Secret Invasion. Just off the top of my head I can think of no better examples of that than World War, Hulk, Chaos War, and Fear Itself; all of these caused worldwide destruction that should not have been able to have been repaired in years, let alone the couple weeks afterward(Planet Hulk mostly only destroyed New York, but it was destruction on a level that would take years to fully clean up, and it was all wrapped up in a week or so). No characters learn any lessons from these things so there's no real personal repercussions involved either. These things are all fine in a single character story, but in a world-wide event like most crossover events are, you expect some measure of consequence, whether personal or external, that isn't erased in two or three issues, otherwise it's just bad storytelling.

Then there's the fact that most of these crossovers end up doing little more than pitting superhero versus superhero(often using excuses like the Phoenix Force or The Beast in Shadowland so that the heroes in the wrong don't actually have to pay any penance for their actions) instead of actually providing a real credible threat; it ends up being little more than an excuse to put an end(or in most cases, just add to it) to those childish X Hero vs. Y Hero debates you find in the more cancerous corners of the internet.

Then there's the more simple reasons of bad writing and bad characterization that end up being prevalent as a result of too many writers being involved in said events(usually the ones writing tie-ins) with no real experience writing said characters(easiest example being the way the X-Men were treated in the Civil War issues of X-Factor, and the way Wolverine completely shifted his opinion on the SRA in many of the tie-in books he was featured in).

A lot of people just take issue with the fact that a lot of crossovers are incomplete, and by that I mean that while there is a central event mini-series, it'll often interrupt certain important scenes that would be continued in a book that a reader might otherwise not even care to buy if they want the whole story with those characters(another Civil War example: when Punisher saves Spider-Man from the Cape Killers, but it doesn't actually go into detail with that unless you read the Punisher War Journal issues, which as a side note, was a god awful book, the same with the argument Punisher has with Captain America a little later in the same issue). A lot of old school comic readers feel that it should not be necessary to buy tie-in books, but that they should merely provide some insight into the greater world surrounding those events, a side story if you will; unfortunately, most crossovers don't actually provide that, and make it absolutely necessary to read every tie-in issue because otherwise you'll miss rather important events.

Then there's simply a lot of readers that are just utterly uninterested in anything having to do with these crossovers and are just sick of it being such a trend with the two major companies without any real rest in between.

Personally I hated AvX, as I thought it was very poorly written and had a lot of the fails I mentioned above and it just ended up being an extremely boring chore to read through. But I rather like some of the books that came out of its aftermath(although I extremely hate Cyclops' attitude after it), and I like that there's SOME consequences coming from it, and I really hope those aren't just swept under the rug like most other major Marvel crossovers. I have high hopes, but I've been burned by Marvel a lot before, so I just expect the worst and hope for the best.

Note: I tried to stay away from discussing DC events because I know you guys aren't fans, so I didn't wanna confuse you. Plus, trust me, you do NOT want me to get into a serious rant about Countdown and Cry For Justice.

EDIT: Well s**t, I didn't expect this to come out that long. I'm sorry. sweatdrop

...you merely adopted the comic event. I was born in it-- molded by it. I didn't read Days of Future Past until I was already a man.

I love you guys.