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 Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:52 pm
Best: FE11 Draug - High Speed and Skill growths, coupled with good HP and Strength make him a great frontliner against non-magical users and bosses, especially once he gets that +10 HP raise upon promotion. The +20% increase to his Defense Growths from FE3 to FE11 is welcome as well, and he actually FITS into the Knight role better than some reclassers. Also, need I mention availability?
Worst: Barth - He's almost a Jeigan who's a meatshield as soon as you get him, his only good point being that he comes in at level 9. His Speed and Resistance are so horrible, he'll get 2HKO'd by any mage. Don't count on his depressingly low Luck stat to get you out of any fixes either. Hell, he's even hard to Arena Abuse. The only reason to keep him around is to Triangle Attack with Bors and Wendy.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 9:57 pm
Paranoia_favorate Best: Bors, Great availibity and growths to match up to Wendy that if trained can make him pretty good. Worst: Meg (honorable mention to Arden) I had to go with Meg over Arden really. The thing about Arden is that actually training him is limited in the game due to large maps and his small amount of movement, meaning he is most likely will be in a castle unless you are getting the pursuit ring for another unit that can benefit from it, or if you were like me, actually used him to lure Ayra away from Genoa which made it easier for me to actually get her. I did looked up what his stats and growths are, though they're not the greatest in the world he could have been a decent unit to used if he was worth using to begin with. With Meg, who isn't shafted with large maps, is pretty useless in her game. the problem I had with her is the fact that she's a knight who can't really do things that I consider normal knights should be doing, which is tanking. Even with her luck and defense at the beginning she should be ale to do some tanking, but apparently for me she just can't do that. And I'm saying this after she has died multiple times by axe users even at full health. Why not use Cuan? He has the advantage, can lure her and run away from her unlike Arden who has to sit there and take the hits. Not to mention, he probably gained a few extra levels (3 Def away from matching Arden and a 30% chance [major blood] chance of gaining a Def stat.) in the arena whereas Arden probably didn't even make it past the third bout.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:31 pm
The Lolwut Pear Paranoia_favorate Best: Bors, Great availibity and growths to match up to Wendy that if trained can make him pretty good. Worst: Meg (honorable mention to Arden) I had to go with Meg over Arden really. The thing about Arden is that actually training him is limited in the game due to large maps and his small amount of movement, meaning he is most likely will be in a castle unless you are getting the pursuit ring for another unit that can benefit from it, or if you were like me, actually used him to lure Ayra away from Genoa which made it easier for me to actually get her. I did looked up what his stats and growths are, though they're not the greatest in the world he could have been a decent unit to used if he was worth using to begin with. With Meg, who isn't shafted with large maps, is pretty useless in her game. the problem I had with her is the fact that she's a knight who can't really do things that I consider normal knights should be doing, which is tanking. Even with her luck and defense at the beginning she should be ale to do some tanking, but apparently for me she just can't do that. And I'm saying this after she has died multiple times by axe users even at full health. Why not use Cuan? He has the advantage, can lure her and run away from her unlike Arden who has to sit there and take the hits. Not to mention, he probably gained a few extra levels (3 Def away from matching Arden and a 30% chance [major blood] chance of gaining a Def stat.) in the arena whereas Arden probably didn't even make it past the third bout. OR you could use Alec while Cuan goes off somewhere to contribute to attacking an army or something else more productive of him, preferably killing something or other. You don't have to pray Aira doesn't activate Astra either with Alec, because he has Awareness. Awareness alone makes Alec the best candidate for the job, I've always thought. As he can handle a round of combat with her guaranteed, you don't run the risk of having to restart.
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:52 pm
Manic Martini The Lolwut Pear Paranoia_favorate Best: Bors, Great availibity and growths to match up to Wendy that if trained can make him pretty good. Worst: Meg (honorable mention to Arden) I had to go with Meg over Arden really. The thing about Arden is that actually training him is limited in the game due to large maps and his small amount of movement, meaning he is most likely will be in a castle unless you are getting the pursuit ring for another unit that can benefit from it, or if you were like me, actually used him to lure Ayra away from Genoa which made it easier for me to actually get her. I did looked up what his stats and growths are, though they're not the greatest in the world he could have been a decent unit to used if he was worth using to begin with. With Meg, who isn't shafted with large maps, is pretty useless in her game. the problem I had with her is the fact that she's a knight who can't really do things that I consider normal knights should be doing, which is tanking. Even with her luck and defense at the beginning she should be ale to do some tanking, but apparently for me she just can't do that. And I'm saying this after she has died multiple times by axe users even at full health. Why not use Cuan? He has the advantage, can lure her and run away from her unlike Arden who has to sit there and take the hits. Not to mention, he probably gained a few extra levels (3 Def away from matching Arden and a 30% chance [major blood] chance of gaining a Def stat.) in the arena whereas Arden probably didn't even make it past the third bout. OR you could use Alec while Cuan goes off somewhere to contribute to attacking an army or something else more productive of him, preferably killing something or other. You don't have to pray Aira doesn't activate Astra either with Alec, because he has Awareness. Awareness alone makes Alec the best candidate for the job, I've always thought. As he can handle a round of combat with her guaranteed, you don't run the risk of having to restart. Oh right, I forgot Alec had Awareness, I need to pay more attention to the skills, maybe that's why I'm not the greatest at FE4 ._. but at least I'm getting better!
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Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:59 pm
PS: Lightbulb of Epiphany moment: Wolt saying Doga's NA/UK name just hit me with something: Draug spelled backwards is "guard", wow I'm dense to just find that out. ._.
But on a more relevant note to this thread: I like Doga, he's more balanced than some Armours out there as he has Spd/Skl growth as well as natural tank abilities, at least in FE3, truth be told: I haven't played FE11 as much as I should, and I usually use Tomth or Michelan for shits and giggles as well as Thomas instead of Gordon, Maji instead of Barts and so on.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 12:13 pm
Manic Martini The Lolwut Pear Paranoia_favorate Best: Bors, Great availibity and growths to match up to Wendy that if trained can make him pretty good. Worst: Meg (honorable mention to Arden) I had to go with Meg over Arden really. The thing about Arden is that actually training him is limited in the game due to large maps and his small amount of movement, meaning he is most likely will be in a castle unless you are getting the pursuit ring for another unit that can benefit from it, or if you were like me, actually used him to lure Ayra away from Genoa which made it easier for me to actually get her. I did looked up what his stats and growths are, though they're not the greatest in the world he could have been a decent unit to used if he was worth using to begin with. With Meg, who isn't shafted with large maps, is pretty useless in her game. the problem I had with her is the fact that she's a knight who can't really do things that I consider normal knights should be doing, which is tanking. Even with her luck and defense at the beginning she should be ale to do some tanking, but apparently for me she just can't do that. And I'm saying this after she has died multiple times by axe users even at full health. Why not use Cuan? He has the advantage, can lure her and run away from her unlike Arden who has to sit there and take the hits. Not to mention, he probably gained a few extra levels (3 Def away from matching Arden and a 30% chance [major blood] chance of gaining a Def stat.) in the arena whereas Arden probably didn't even make it past the third bout. OR you could use Alec while Cuan goes off somewhere to contribute to attacking an army or something else more productive of him, preferably killing something or other. You don't have to pray Aira doesn't activate Astra either with Alec, because he has Awareness. Awareness alone makes Alec the best candidate for the job, I've always thought. As he can handle a round of combat with her guaranteed, you don't run the risk of having to restart. I did try Cuan the first few times trying to get her but either he was able to kill her or he end up dieing because of Astra. With Alec i kind of forgot about his skill. I've only done one play though of 4 so I'll note this when I get to another play though.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:41 pm
Manic Martini xDemonhornzx Manic Martini If you had trouble with Bors, I'd shudder to imagine how much work Wendy would've required. Yeah. Wallace is pretty much trash. Ignoring the implications of that comment, I will inform you Wendy worked fine. That's good then. If you like Wendy, you like Wendy. Plenty of people do. But if that's the case the following two points are true: A) Bors should've worked fine, also. B) You didn't try to use Bors, and if you did, you didn't try as hard as you had to in order to use Wendy. @Lyon: If you don't put someone for worst, your vote doesn't count. That's cool. I just like pretending my opinions matter.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:56 pm
xDemonhornzx Manic Martini If you had trouble with Bors, I'd shudder to imagine how much work Wendy would've required. Yeah. Wallace is pretty much trash. Ignoring the implications of that comment, I will inform you Wendy worked fine. ...What implication? Objectively speaking, since Bors comes in much earlier than Wendy, he would not be as hard to level on hard mode than she, especially with the level you get on her and the level she's at when you get her. Best: Oswin Worst: ......I don't feel comfortable with this answer, but I'll have to say Wallace.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:53 pm
Nomad Rath xDemonhornzx Manic Martini If you had trouble with Bors, I'd shudder to imagine how much work Wendy would've required. Yeah. Wallace is pretty much trash. Ignoring the implications of that comment, I will inform you Wendy worked fine. ...What implication? Objectively speaking, since Bors comes in much earlier than Wendy, he would not be as hard to level on hard mode than she, especially with the level you get on her and the level she's at when you get her. Best: Oswin Worst: ......I don't feel comfortable with this answer, but I'll have to say Wallace.
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Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:47 pm
Because I'm certain there must be somebody worse than him in the earlier FE games.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 2:35 pm
Well the votes are tallied and the new topic is up Best/Worst Plot. Which game the best story to tell?
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:00 pm
Oh gosh... this is SOOOO hard, because both FE4 and FE7 are both excellent in terms of plot. They depict things on different scales, but I don't think that necessarily makes one better than the other. FE4 has a much more grandiose-level plot spanning across multiple generations and a 'second-coming' style Holy-War finale. It's political development and orientation is top-notch, too. FE7 more effectively focuses on a smaller-scaled plot, with excellent development and characterization and it's a PREQUEL - which makes it's brilliant execution all the more impressive. It's depth is more personal. Both use their McGuffins so well. I feel like I could go on and on.
Best: Wish I could pick both, but I'll go with FE7. Its plot's keener subject matter makes for better narrative one can more easily feel for, IMO.
Worst: FE8.
So terribly contrived. Lyon can be an interesting character to look at at times, but that's about all that this has going for it. FE4 did the Evil-Incarnate revival right, whereas the FE8's Demon King couldn't have been more pathetic by comparison. FE10 has some major Plot-Dumb moments, too, so it gets a mention. But FE10 does some things right, I think.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:45 pm
All right after sometime of thinking about this, I know that I finally have my answer.
Best: Between FE4 and FE7, I have to go with 7. I could tell that I would enjoy each moment coming, and with each sad moment, I could feel the sadness from the game. The plot drew me in, especially since it was my first game of the series I played.
Worst: FE8. After playing FE4, I could tell that this just felt like it was trying to copy what happened there, but instead brought something else forward that made things...less interesting.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:06 pm
Best: FE4: I'd go with politics with a touch of magic and an actual badass posessed Prince over compressed politics with relying on magic and dragons any day.
Worst: FE8: Somehow, they managed to butcher the idea of a posessed Prince by rehashing the idea and worst off: making him a wuss (no offense to the Lyon I see floating around in this guild) not to mention the whole story is about.. some rocks that all get mostly all get wrecked in the end making the journey a big middle finger.
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Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 5:12 pm
Best: FE 6. I really don't understand the appeal of 7's storyline too much...it was made as a prequel, which already lowers its appeal to me when I realize "oh hey, all these characters are dead in the future excluding Bartre, Karel, and Eliwood" and while the story is long it isn't as satisfying as people make it sound.
Worst: FE 8. Yes, i'll agree with the crowd this time.
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