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Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:16 pm


Aaah, human history as in our "procrastination complex." We sit on our asses untill a bad event comes and THEN do something about it, instead of aim to prevent it BEFORE it happens (examples: complacency concerning terrorist strikes within the US before 9/11 despite its prevalance outside the US, power supply problems in California despite obvious warning signs, etc). Lack of foresight is very, very abundant everywhere you look. And I think it's severe lack of foresight to drill up there. It isn't solving any problem, just creating more. What we need to do is stop drilling oil and start looking for new energy sources... get off the addiction if you will.


Earth is an ecologically closed system. It's resources are finite. Oil WILL run out, and if we do NOT prepare ourselves ahead of time - which we probably won't due to the procrastination complex - we'll have a technology crash sooner than anticipated. Industrialized nations will suffer tremendously and collapse.

But as I said, humanity isn't known for any amazing foresight. There will be a technology crash, because we aren't managing the Earth's resources. It'll take at least one crash for us to learn that lesson and not do it again, unfortunately. But being one who prefers to be optimistic, I'm going to do everything in my albeit insiginfigant power to push people to understand the problem that lies ahead for our children and grandchildren.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:57 pm


Yes, I agree, I try not to use oil as much as possible to show that it is possible. I think the best solution is to just get off of fosil fuels period. Like we have electricty, I happen to live by the biggest wind farm I've ever heard of! I even planned something I think would work damned well, underwater turbines, there is water moving, wasting energy take it god damnit! ninja go renewable sourses!

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Starlock
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 11:21 am


Technically, oil and fossil fuels are renewable resources. It just takes a really long time for them to renew. And humans are impatient (grins).
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:20 am


Starlock
Technically, oil and fossil fuels are renewable resources. It just takes a really long time for them to renew. And humans are impatient (grins).
Very impatient, it takes a very long time to get fosil fuels so it isnt considered renewable, anyways, it polutes the air so much we shouldnt be using it anyways. Especially since they arnt taking percautions (An entire neighborhood got poisened here)

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Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:55 am


They do have electric and lower fuel using cars, only problem is, they're insanely priced. What are you going to get an insanely priced, but environment conserving car, or a cheap ozone killing car? I'd personally take what's cheapest.

However, there are other ways to get around using cars. Buses are much, much cheaper than the cost of gas. Around Denver busses only cost a grand total of 1.25 to get from one side of the city to the other.

We do need to find a new fuel source, or encourage people to use less gas. We have the technology to make a weapon that can burn someone's skin without leaving any marks, but we refuse to find a way to use better fuel. Brilliant.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 11:08 am


'Tis not us refusing using less gas, 'tis the oil companies strong arming.

The oil companies are more than super rich, and as such, they are buying out all the plans that make alternative fuel powered automobiles. Meaning that the plans become part of the oil company giants like Exxon, who just let the plans sit in the bottom of a drawer, until such a time when they can use them to their benefit.

chaoticpuppet
Crew


Ninth Pariah

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:06 pm


chaoticpuppet
'Tis not us refusing using less gas, 'tis the oil companies strong arming.

The oil companies are more than super rich, and as such, they are buying out all the plans that make alternative fuel powered automobiles. Meaning that the plans become part of the oil company giants like Exxon, who just let the plans sit in the bottom of a drawer, until such a time when they can use them to their benefit.
yes, but would they keep promoting oil if everyone went to using some other fuel? personally, i'd buy out that with the money from the oil if that happened with me in their shoes.
PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 4:59 pm


we have places not bought out still, you remember that race that just finished with the solar cars, I was at the finish line and it was quite impressive they made it so far. We have the technology, we can do it, it's just not conviniant enough yet, they are to slow, only run during the day, run out of power, hydrogen is dangerouse and you need alot of it and water costs to much to split apart. It's just not convinient yet. (By the way I got to sit on the solar car from Calgary ^^) Still, seeing those cars crossing the line was a breakthrough I think.

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Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 5:37 pm


Yes, conveniece is the key here now. Humans by nature are a rather lazy race that doesn't accomplish anything until they need it to survive. Look at the technology boom during WWII. There has to be something other than solar power for fuel. I've heard of veggie oil being used in cars, and they worked...for a bit.

If we could make a car that ran off electricity, it might work. We have all this technology, that I'm sure we could have computerized cars that simply needed to be recharged at night every other day or had a battery life of two straight days before needing recharging. Hotels could have parking lots with electrical plug-ins for the cars. We have the technology to make those sort of things. We'd be doing a trade off for gas prices for electricity prices. But in the long run you wouldn't have to worry about running out of electricity like you do oil.

Of course I'm no rocket scientist, but I'm sure there's a way to make something like that work.
PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:06 am


they have made cars run off of water for goodness sakes and they have cars that the only product of running it is water, the only problem is its just not pratical, hydrogen, like I said, is unsafe unless you have an extremly thinck fuel tank. Vegetable oil doesnt last long, hey for goodness sakes, they have robots that run off of glucose, why cant they do it with a car? Takes to much.
For now, until we can make it work, fuel it is. Which I disagree with.
There is a car on the market, it is a hybrid and I think it is so smart! It recharges the battery when you ht the brakes, by changing the kenitcic energy into Frictional energy into another energy, Because all energy equal each other, it is so smart! It uses the battery in towns, and city and gas on the highway. Very smart

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Tigress Dawn

Hygienic Noob

PostPosted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 4:17 pm


I've heard of those. But don't you have to plug them in at night or something like that? I don't know how they work.

They sound neat though. It sounds like you'd save alot of $$$ on gas though. Which is always a plus! xp *mutters curses against $2 per gallon prices*
PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 8:39 pm


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Kalorn
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chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Sat Aug 06, 2005 9:31 pm


Kalorn
Chocolate Flavor Vanilla
we have places not bought out still, you remember that race that just finished with the solar cars, I was at the finish line and it was quite impressive they made it so far. We have the technology, we can do it, it's just not conviniant enough yet, they are to slow, only run during the day, run out of power, hydrogen is dangerouse and you need alot of it and water costs to much to split apart. It's just not convinient yet. (By the way I got to sit on the solar car from Calgary ^^) Still, seeing those cars crossing the line was a breakthrough I think.
is hydrogen really more dangerous that petroleum?

It is a hell of a lot less stable.
PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 9:53 am


chaoticpuppet
Kalorn
Chocolate Flavor Vanilla
we have places not bought out still, you remember that race that just finished with the solar cars, I was at the finish line and it was quite impressive they made it so far. We have the technology, we can do it, it's just not conviniant enough yet, they are to slow, only run during the day, run out of power, hydrogen is dangerouse and you need alot of it and water costs to much to split apart. It's just not convinient yet. (By the way I got to sit on the solar car from Calgary ^^) Still, seeing those cars crossing the line was a breakthrough I think.
is hydrogen really more dangerous that petroleum?

It is a hell of a lot less stable.
really? i didn't realize that. i mean i thought it was as dangerous as a compressed air tank, but i think of car feul tanks being more dangerous than that.

Kalorn
Crew


chaoticpuppet
Crew

PostPosted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:39 am


Kalorn
really? i didn't realize that. i mean i thought it was as dangerous as a compressed air tank, but i think of car feul tanks being more dangerous than that.

Yeah, the unstableness comes from containing only one electron in its outer most shellSImple Chemistry dictates that this is the most unstable form for a molecule/atom.
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