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Spike Bolt, while, of course, I respect your views, I do disagree with most of what you were saying. Some things are impossible to understand without first understanding the Bible.

While I am not sure if homosexuality is a choice that one can make or not, it is considered a sin. I do believe that most, if they could, would choose to be "normal". I am not nearly equipped to say more on this subject for if I did, I would be very foolish.

It is true that all humans are sinners by nature but the bible says that Jesus can free you from all your sins. Please do not take this as me saying that Christians can do no wrong!

As you said, it is very important to respect other's beliefs. I am not equipped to debate about the theory of evolution at the moment as I have not studied on that subject.

Last but not least, while the Bible was written by humans, the humans were told what to write by god.

Those are my beliefs. I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone! If I left anything unexplained, it is as I said, some things are impossible to understand without first understanding the bible.

I wasn't referring to you, don't worry. I'm just not one hundred percent sure one how to remove another person's quote from something.

It's merely the principal of it! No offense meant to any homosexuals... but it's an abomination that shouldn't exist!!! If the whole world went homosexual we humans would die out! With that in mind, do you think that that's how it was intended?

What is the possibility of that though? Your obviously not going to go homosexual, so thats one. Angel X Sora obviously won't either and thats two. I'm straight not changing, so thats three, I could go on and on and on and on and on until my head fell off.

The population of straight people to homosexual quite vast and isn't the homosexual side with the advantage I'll tell you that. I've only met about three honestly homosexual people in my life.

I don't think you need to worry about the human race dying out, its not gonna happen without something a lot bigger than homosexuality.

On Angel X Sora's point. Sure they can change everyone can change, someone could decide they are going to stop smoking, like you said. Then you have people where they don't quit smoking, because they don't want to. I've seen a lot of things in my life, some of which are much more sinful and probably more of an abomination than a homosexual couple.

What I meant when I said "If the whole world went homosexual we humans would die out!" was that if it wasn't meant for the whole world, why would it be meant for a portion of it?

Allow me to go further into the second verse condemning it. Romans 1

1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

10Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

11For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;

12That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.

13Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles.

14I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise.

15So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

When Paul says something that is only his opinion, he says it himself. Paul said once that people should not get married, but before that he let everyone know that HE HAD NO WORD FROM GOD. Let me make one point clear. Jesus said that the end of the world was soon. And it is true. And not true. At the same time.

Soon in our time is completely different from soon in the time of Heaven. 1000 years can be like one day, and one day like 1000 years. It's not definite. There is no way to know how long has passed in heaven since Jesus came back. Maybe five minutes? An hour or so? Maybe Jesus's hand is on the door of heaven right now, and he's telling Gabriel to blow the horn. Maybe he's already on his way down. (AMEN!)

In other words, Paul had no way to know how soon in earthly time Jesus would come. So it's always best to take him at his word.

No, those laws in the Pentateuch were not thrown out. At least, not some of them. Adultery is still a sin. Murder is still a sin. I could name many many others. Pretty much the only laws that were thrown away involved unclean foods and having to make a sacrifice every time you sinned to make you clean.

I'm sure there are more verses condemning homosexuality, I'll have to ask my pastor.

But look at the simplest facts!

-God made a female companion for Adam. Eve. Why female? Why didn't he create only males?

-Why does only straight vaginal intercourse produce children?

-Why would God command that homosexuals be stoned back then, only to say later,
"Naw, I was just kidding about that. For all the people who died, sorry, but you can practice that now without any punishment whatsoever! Isn't that great??" God is not that kind of God.

-God doesn't change. He is the same yesterday, today, and for all eternity. Why would he change his mind about homosexuality, if yesterday he said it was an abomination?

-When the adulteress was going to be stoned, Jesus said "Whoever has no sin, cast the first stone!" If it were a homosexual, he would have said the same. Homosexuals were stoned, and so were adulteresses. Did he ever once say that it wasn't a sin? Nope! Only that everyone has sins, so they should be forgiven, instead of being killed over. No laws were "thrown out".

Don't come to me with other laws in the Pentateuch! If it involves eating unclean animals, Peter had a dream in which God told him to kill and eat. He said, "Do not call unclean what the Lord has made clean." God never made homosexuality clean. And surely, he won't.

Just because it disagrees with the bible is no reason to cut it out for everyone else. Not everyone follows it, thus constantly bringing it into the argument isn't going to help a whole lot. It seems to be a large chunk of your argument. We can't all be Christian.

everyone's gone... emo