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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:06 am
Adult (age 21 to 50, not getting more specific than that) / Female / Chicago, IL, USA
We've got the Spertus Institute of Jewish Studies here,
There's a whole slew of kosher restaurants and grocery stores to eat from and/or tour.
We have a few mikvaot we might be able to tour, over a hundred synagogues to choose from -- one of every kind, I think, and you'd be able to pick one and say "Let's go to a service there so we can ask some questions." It's often possible to set up something in advance so that a group of people can attend a service, and before or afterward, ask questions of the observant folks that happen to be there, or the rabbi or gabbai.
The public transportation system is fantastic, so we'd be able to get places and see things without having to pay a purple fortune for taxis. Also, we're a hub city, which means you can almost always get a flight DIRECTLY here, without transfers, if you bully your travel agent sufficiently. We're also an international airport, so if need be, you can fly in from another country and land here, rather than having to transfer, unless you're on the exact opposite side of the globe; then you might have to transfer partway here.
There are hotels in every part of town here, not just along one central strip. If we all agreed where we'd be spending most of our time -- in one of the two big Jewish neighborhoods, I'm assuming -- I could scope out hotels and find a suitable one for everyone to get into together. I'll find one with mechanical door locks instead of electronic, so that no one has to use electricity on Sabbath in order to get in and out; moderately priced; near enough to the areas we'd be spending most of our time in; on the public transportation routes; and I might be able to get us a deal on the rooms, if more than a dozen rooms are being rented. If not, I could at least say, "Okay, what can you give us for four people per room?" Bring a parent if you're under 18, preferably one of your own gender, so that you and they and another kid/parent pair can share a room to cut down on expenses.
And of course you've got me; I'm observant, and can act as a tour guide. I can say whether a local attraction (of which we've got thousands) is near enough to a kosher restaurant, or whether we'll all need to bring our lunches with us (well, those of us who keep kosher, anyway).
What say you all?
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:57 am
Chicago would be amazing for me, as my family lives there already and I could easily just live with my grandparents or something for a bit! And I know a lot of that area, as we go there lots and lots of times a year. But, haven't explored too much besides where family lives, so there's a lot I'd love to do there.
If it's on the East Coast, probably the only place I might conceivably go to in the next few years is Boston, as I really would like to visit my friend there.
And Neuf, that might be hard to kick with. xd Chicago eliminates that problem, as I could just drive there with my family- it's 5-7 hours from where I live.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 10:59 am
I have a strange feeling that when we finally meet Divash, you and I will discuss my interpretive solo act of judiasm and what exactally I'm doing wrong.
Just kidding, laugh it's funny.
I haven't been to Chicago, but I got some airline miles on my credit card I could use.
Ok I think we need to pick a venue. Perhaps we could all meet somewhere on a weekday yantif, like Sukkot or Shavout. I don't think a weekend munch, it would be folly to all go shopping in the jewish quarter on saturday afternoon when everything's closed.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:35 am
I've always wanted to go to Chicago, but my mother tells me it gets so hot their during summer you can hardly move. However, there is Lollapalooza, and Matisyahu was there last year, and I almost got to go, but didn't. sad
But to Cindy, I can certainly understand being intimidated by big cities, but New York City has apparently gotten a lot better than what it was. I would be more scared of Atlanta, personally.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:51 am
kingpinsqeezels I've always wanted to go to Chicago, but my mother tells me it gets so hot their during summer you can hardly move. However, there is Lollapalooza, and Matisyahu was there last year, and I almost got to go, but didn't. sad But to Cindy, I can certainly understand being intimidated by big cities, but New York City has apparently gotten a lot better than what it was. I would be more scared of Atlanta, personally. xd If you guys think Chicago is hot, come to St. Louis in the summer where the humidity is a nightmare. Currently it is 94 F (35C) without the added heat indexu stuff, and today is an average day. Heh-I guess that's part of why I'm always cold everywhere else. Oh, and as for date, preferably sometime in the summer, as my breaks are probably different than the rest of yours. Maybe holiday break, but it might be a bit mobbed with all the traveling then.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:20 pm
Well my vote is before the heat gets TOO opressive. Late May or early June. That would probably be best vacation wise/heat wise anywhere we go...
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:44 pm
I live in Midwood, (near the Kings Highway B/Q stop, walking distance from Avenues M and J, which are basically our "shopping avenues") one of the Jewish neighborhoods in Brooklyn. Kosher stuff and Judaica stores everywhere, shuls on every block, etc. Borough Park is nearby too, and they have AWESOME shopping, especally tznius clothes, etc.. Then there's Williamsburg and Crown Heights, which are interesting in and of themselves. In Manhattan, there's Inwood/Washington Heights, and the Lower East Side.. Queens has Kew Gardens Hills and some other areas I'm not familiar with, I only know that neighborhood since I used to know some people who live there.. There's also some Jewish areas in the Bronx that I'm totally unfamiliar with.
I dunno about hotels - there was a nice little bed and breakfast on the block I used to live on, my mom stayed there once when she came to visit, but we don't have chain hotels nearby - down at Brighton Beach/Coney Island, sure, but not up here.
I'd gladly visit Chicago, Boston or Atlanta. I love cities. heart I don't think I'd go to Chicago in the winter or Atlanta in the summer, though.
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:38 pm
ok, I think we should decide on city, but what makes one better than the other. We have guild reps in major cities with different jewish neighborhoods.
I think we should start calling hotels and finding out rates on a TENATIVE DATE of Wednesday August 15 to Sunday August 19th.
WHy these days? why not, unless there's a major conflict, and I would like to what our guild rep has for shabbat service for the solo acts who struggle to observe in an opressive realm of "you can't be serious, you're not that kinda jew!" so yeah Shabbat and Havdallah would be nifty I think on the trip.
Plus that gives us a day to all get there, (wednesday) a day for shopping (thursday) and a day of Travel (sunday)
oh wow, this is actually sounding like a feasable plan!
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:27 pm
Well, and this is just me, I'm going to New York next summer...and I would really love for that trip to coincide with trip, because I can't do both. I'm saving for Israel in 09.
My vote is New York, but I would still love to see Chicago..
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Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:14 pm
I couldn't possibly host Shabbos in my tiny apartment, but I could very easily drum up places for people to go if they'd like. (I live in a studio apartment in someone's basement - me and my cat are a tight fit in here, and I don't even have a kitchen table or anyplace for anyone to sit. lol )
I know a rabbi who moderates an online mailing list for Orthodox conversion discussion and he's awesome for that kind of thing, as is the rabbi from my old shul who works with gerim and BTs all the time.. I'm also involved with Ohr Naava Women's Torah Center as well as a group called Horeini and they love to help people find Shabbos hospitality. This is how I always have somewhere to go if I want to. 3nodding
Actually, really, anyone who comes to NYC ever is more than welcome to contact me for help finding a place to have Shabbos. 3nodding It's totally something you should be able to do with a religious family if you get the chance.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:42 am
LordNeuf ok, I think we should decide on city, but what makes one better than the other. We have guild reps in major cities with different jewish neighborhoods. I think we should start calling hotels and finding out rates on a TENATIVE DATE of Wednesday August 15 to Sunday August 19th. WHy these days? why not, unless there's a major conflict, and I would like to what our guild rep has for shabbat service for the solo acts who struggle to observe in an opressive realm of "you can't be serious, you're not that kinda jew!" so yeah Shabbat and Havdallah would be nifty I think on the trip. Plus that gives us a day to all get there, (wednesday) a day for shopping (thursday) and a day of Travel (sunday) oh wow, this is actually sounding like a feasable plan! Speaking as my school starts August 14th, there is kind of a conflict there with me. xd If it's in NY, though, I doubt I could do it anyway, so whatever date works for you guys is fine. For me, all the cities sound cool, but Chicago (and probably very unlikely Boston) are the only places my family would go, as after this summer, my oldest brother is in college, and we won't be traveling as much. xp I'll keep asking, though. And I apologize in advance, as I know I'll accidentally do something horribly offensive in Judaism without realizing it. sweatdrop Stupid Midwest. If worse comes to worse, I can just webcam you guys, as my parents are getting one so my college brother can communicate.
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:13 am
LordNeuf I have a strange feeling that when we finally meet Divash, you and I will discuss my interpretive solo act of judiasm and what exactally I'm doing wrong. Just kidding, laugh it's funny. I haven't been to Chicago, but I got some airline miles on my credit card I could use. Ok I think we need to pick a venue. Perhaps we could all meet somewhere on a weekday yantif, like Sukkot or Shavout. I don't think a weekend munch, it would be folly to all go shopping in the jewish quarter on saturday afternoon when everything's closed. Hee hee hee. Yeah, we might. And then you'll tell me what I'm doing wrong, and we'll laugh at that, too. There are as many Judaisms as there are Jews. I'm thinking we may want to avoid holidays, actually, because there are those among us (me) who stay by their families and do home-togetherness things on those days, even if work is permitted. Saturday, the Jewish restaurants and shops will be closed, but we could all check out a couple of different synagogues. I can think of several Reform, Conservative, and Orthodox shuls -- modern and otherwise -- that might be nice places for all of us. Then we can sit and talk about them, answer one another's questions, and just chill out. Either the following week or the week before (depending on whether Shabbat is closer to the beginning or the end of everyone's visits), we can go to shops and restaurants, maybe attend a daily prayer session here or there (those would be Orthodox, for the most part, though a couple of Conservative synagogues meet for the morning prayers; I can't think of a non-Orthodox synagogue that meets for prayers in afternoon or evening). And I'll see if I can bring a tour group to one of the mikvahs I know, and we can talk about the mikvah experience, how it's different for men and for women, and so on. And, of course, we'll also want to look at some stuff that's not specifically Jewish, such as museums, or boat tours of the city (though those can be expensive, like $25 to $40 per person). That is, if we do Chicago. If we do somewhere else, the people who live there should be the ones to play tour guide. As some folks have noted, Chicago's so hot that hell (if there was a place such as hell) isn't going to impress me much. It's actually extremely nice throughout May and June, unless something weird happens and we get a late cold snap or an early heat wave; this year it didn't get above 80 degrees at all until... today. But even if it does get that hot, that gives great opportunities for bringing less luggage, too, because lightweight summer clothing is so much smaller to pack than heavy winter stuff. Just, no matter where we meet up, make sure everyone brings at least one "modest" outfit -- covering the arms to the elbows, the legs to the knees, and the chest up to the collarbone -- for attending synagogues during the week, and a slightly nicer one for Shabbat. Even in Reform synagogues, where it's a bit more casual, one should show proper respect for the Torah that will be read there. (Hey, if I can wear long sleeves and skirts in 100+ weather, you guys can take it, I promise!) I haven't been to the Jewish areas of New York, and I haven't seen Boston at all, but I hear those are excellent places to go. I'd love to see those places. Especially if we can make it from, say, a Sunday to the following Sunday or Monday, or from a Wednesday to a Wednesday. That way we'll get a Shabbat in, but no one will have to travel on Shabbat or scramble to find Shabbat accommodations on a Friday at an hour till sundown. My building has one hospitality suite with two bedrooms and one bathroom. It's $99 a night, but four people could easily stay there. There is also a smaller hotel within walking distance of my apartment building, and their prices are pretty reasonable, according to a couple I know who stayed there when they visited me about three years ago. Unfortunately my apartment is too small to fit even one visitor, but if everyone's within walking distance of my apartment, I could get us all together for a casual, festive Shabbat meal. Also, if I have enough notice, I can ask people at my synagogue if they can host various folks for Shabbat. OR, if you all stay up in the really Jewish neighborhood (which I do recommend, and if people are interested in that instead, I'll look for some likely hotels), we can all meet together there. I actually recommend that if people come to Chicago, stay within walking distance of my place in order to make Shabbat together, and we can just take the bus up to the Jewish area for shopping and restaurants. Wherever we go, though, let's not do it this year. Let's wait until next spring/summer. First of all, I selfishly want to get to be there, and I can't do it on the dates LordNeuf has suggested because I'm going on a cruise to the Caribbean, and yes, now you all totally want to be me. wink Second, meeting next year will give us all time to schedule vacation days from work, save up money for transportation and hotels and expenses, and make sure that the minors can get parents to come with them. NO MINOR should come alone. Please. You should never, ever meet online strangers alone, no matter how well you think you know them, especially if you're young and smart and strong.
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darkphoenix1247 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:34 am
Blast- do dress pants work instead of skirts? I don't own any long skirts, and the two I own that are above the knees I haven't worn in many, many years. sweatdrop
Also, just a question for general clothing- if shorts go down to your knees, is it still considered inappropriate to wear them?
If we do go to Chicago, we'd most likely drive up with my family and stay with my grandparent, so I might even nag my brothers to at least come meet you guys. They wouldn't do the Shabbos meet-up, though.
What do you recommend I do on Friday night? For once in my life I'd love to celebrate and respect it the right way, but I doubt my grandparents live within distance of you.
Heh; agreed on the minor thing. I am enormously paranoid, but meeting in reality would be too fun to miss! Plus, I'm not exactly driving up to Chicago alone. xp
And I am quite jealous of the cruise, Divash. blaugh Have an awesome time!
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:50 pm
I live in England, and I'm pretty poor, so I guess I'm out of the running for this meet-up.
Have a great time, everyone! <3
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Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 1:11 pm
Wait, that's a brilliant Idea, ENGLAND!
Ok here's why...
A) In 1656, Olliver Cromwell reversed the expulsion of the jews in 1290 under Edward I, ever since Jews have been welcome in England, I'm curious as to if there's any 17th century Judaica in a museum we could look at learn about the jews of old europe.
and B) I want to go to the tower of London again.
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