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 Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:02 pm
Kuroi Kokoro no Mendori coheedXlicker if God is all powerful Can he make a rock so large he can not lift it ? this question confused me since i could not come up with an answer @_@ The concept itself is irrational. No. blueprints for the black market...
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 11:19 pm
Ladies And Gentlemen I have discovered the answer to this age old flawed question.The answer is: Yes First before I explain how this is possible, let me clarify the flaws in this question "Can God create a rock bigger than He can pick up?" Firstly Lets ask a few questions behind this. There has to be gravity pulling the object downwards, the ground has to be solid enough to support a near infinite weight. really what this question boils down to is, What happens when an unstoppable object meets an immovable force? It's a question that cannot be answered any more than "What is greater, infinity X, or Infinity Y?" But ah now to get to my answer. Most people leave out that God has the most incredible ability that can override his own infinite power, this is God's Word God can make an unconditional promise and no matter what He has to fullfill it. So all He has to do is make a small pebble and a small rock and say "I will never pick up a rock bigger than this pebble."
And there you have it, a rock too big for God to pick up.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 12:19 am
You probably won't understand this, but it is right. Quote: O(x) : x is omnipotent C(x,y) : x can create y L(x,y) : x can lift y r : the special rock 1. ∀x(O(x) -> ∀yL(x,y)) 2. ∀x(O(x) -> (C(x,r) & ∀y~L(y,r))) ________________________________ 3. ∀x(O(x) -> L(x,r)) _ [1, substitution y=r] 4. ∀x(O(x) -> ∀y~L(y,r)) _ [2, conjunction elimination] 5. ∀x(O(x) -> ~L(x,r)) _ [4, substitution y=x] 6. ∀x(O(x) -> (L(x,r) & ~L(x,r))) _ [3,5, conjunction introduction] 7. ∀x~O(x) _ [6, modus tollens] 8. ~∃xO(x) _ [7] Therefore, nothing is omnipotent. If we assume that God has to be omnipotent, the following holds. O(x): x is omnipotent G(x): x is God 9. ∀x(G(x) -> O(x)) 10. ∀x~O(x) _ [7] _______________________________ 11. ∀x~G(x) _ [9,10, modus tollens] 12. ~∃xG(x) _ [11] Therefore, there is no God, or God does not exist. the answer is Quote: (∀x)(Ox⊃(Cxr�(∀y)(~y=x⊃~Lyr))) as well Quote: Assuming the Abrahamic God exists, he created the rules of logic. Think of Existance as a computer program. We're all users, so we have no choice but to adhere to and obey the constants and processes created by the programmer. Said programmer, however, can change the variables and scripts as he sees fit. there you go.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:14 am
Let's put it this way. God is all powerful within logic.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:23 am
coheedXlicker if God is all powerful Can he make a rock so large he can not lift it ? this question confused me since i could not come up with an answer @_@
Rofl I dislike that question so. It is like saying "I always lie" then that statement in and of itself would be a lie, therefore making it untrue.
The answer, I think, would be Undefined because to make a rock that big would take forever if God were to make a pebble bigger and bigger to reach that goal. He has better things to do anyway.
Although I like Firewasp's answer as well.
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Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:36 pm
Thats the problem, people keep thinking omnipotent means all-powerful
There is a difference. People keep assuming being able to break one's own word is a potent thing to do, but its not, therefore God cannot break His Word because to do so would mean being impotent which is impossible because he is Omnipotent. People see being able to break ones word as being powerful though, maybe it is, but its not potent.
God is Omnipotent, and being such he can limit his own power by his word and still remain omnipotent- and as all-powerful as possible whilst still remaining omnipotent.
So God can make that rock razz
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