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 Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:53 pm
Take what ye can!
I don't think I could say anything that hasn't been said, so I'm going to have to go after your Harry Potter remark. Before saying that JKR is unfair in the weight game, please read this. I think it'll change your mind. =]
Give nuthin back.
Cheers, darling.
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:10 pm
LaRoseNoir That is exactly why I enjoy older cartoons... I hate Nickelodeon now. It's full of subliminal(and sometimes rather blatant) messages about morals and political correctness. What the hell happened to the days of Ren & Stimpy?! Can't I just watch toons that beat each other over the head with comically exaggerated mallets? I want mayhem, dammit! xd In my honest opinion, this spoon-fed stuff they call cartoons are rotting kids' brains more than any of the older stuff ever did. indeed, its rotting because its giving them the same mayhem but with reason, and excuses for the kids as well
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 6:21 pm
Im glad this topic has been brought up. There was a show called Braceface put out by the Family channel way back when that showed this little blonde main character. She was chosen to be in a fashion show and during fitting her dress didn't properly fit her so of course she went anorexic. Meanwhile, she meets this nice young man who she has lots of fun with and initially likes, but when he asks her out she says lies and says she already has a boyfriend only because"she couldn't see herself with someone like him." Meaning--she didn't want to be caught with a fat guy. But at the end she is shown that being who you are is the most important thing. So she starts eating again...but she still doesn't go out with the guy. The episode just kind of ends.
I praise it in the fact that she learns to except him, but she should've gone out with him to really teach a lesson. Otherwise it means nothing.
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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:12 pm
I have to disagree with two points, the Harry Potter thing. I hope you have actually read the book, or at least seen the movie... but there is no way you can honestly argue that Petunia Dursley can even be declared chubby, she's described as a thin woman with a horse-like face. And if you've seen the movie, the actress is very thin. I feel the reason Dudley is more on the plump side is to show two things; not only that Harry is mistreated and not fed enough (which is argueably a bad thing, yes?) but also that the way Dudley is described isn't any better--it's more that his parents spoiled him and caused him to be that way by giving him too much love. At worst it points that J.K.Rowling is against children starving or being spoiled and unhealthy. And I've know a little girl whose family gave her whatever food she wanted, and she was overweight... so Dudley's character is actually very believeable to me, except the girl I knew was sweet.
And as a former conservative, now moderate, I have to say: woah, don't push soccer mom's on conservatives.
It would make more sense for the gun-toating republicans to support random violence on TV in their cartoons than it would for liberals...who I blame for such horrible televison as Dora the Explorer.
Also, I loves me some Kim Possible, so talk2hand Ron and Rufus overeat all the time and don't gain weight, so more often than not it's ignored.
Of course, as a child I HATED Ren and Stempy, it was gross and pointless... coincidentally, I don't much care for Sponge Bob. I haven't seen Muppet Babies in years, but I'm pretty sure it came with lessons. Fraggle Rock? Rainbow Brite? Strawberry Shortcake (god, I found an old video of that and I was scarred for life... it was so dumb, but it was talking about friendship or something)? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (although an old video my friend and I watched of that had them saying birds weren't affected by gravity)? My Little Pony? Even Saved by the Bell, which isn't a cartoon but was popular in my day came with messages (case in point, the episode where Jessie got addicted to caffine pills and Zach had to help her).
Maybe TV is more blatant about it now, but a lot of those shows were blatant, too.
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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:02 pm
Kim Possible does make a have a lot of strikes against fat people, but you have to remember that acceptance doesn't happen over night.
Also, I don't think that Uncle Vernon is fat because he's evil. He's fat because he's a cheesey, big business guy. That still might be stereotypical, but I've persoanlly never seen a skinny one. They can eat well 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:17 pm
wheres the tv show made by FAs huh?!
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:46 am
While I agree with you, for the most part, I gotta' argue the Harry Potter part. (Note: Spoilers ahead)
The movies weren't directed or decided on by JK. She just wrote the books, and in the books, those are not the only heavy characters. (And I'd also like to point out that inevitably, Neville winds up being hero at Hogwarts, and FAR from socially inept. All in all, he's clumsy and shy in the beginning, not because of his weight, but because of what happened to his parents and he winds up being a leader to the kids who are left at Hogwarts after Harry, Ron, & Hermione leave).
But, if you look at the books themselves, you also have kindly, plump Professor Sprout, and Mrs. Weasley is also described in the books as being, short and plump -- and she is basically Harry's surrogate mother, who we basically see being, time and time again, the ideal mother to her children as ell as Hermione & Harry -- firm, but extremely loving and supportive, even though the family doesn't have a lot.
Also, take a look at how most of the death eaters are described, save for Bellatrix & Pettigrew --- tall and gangley. Look at the Malfoy's sometime. Also, while Harry's Uncle Vernon & cousin Dudley are overweight, his aunt Petunia is perpetually rail thin. See, skinny bad guys abound, as well, lol.
All in all, yes, children's media is RIDICULOUSLY fat-phobic (look at today's child stars as opposed to Judy Garland & Shirley Temple -- those two weren't even heavy by any standards, but they were still "chubbier" than todays actresses, WTF?).
But I don't think JK fits the stereotype at all. Her character's personalities are just that, personalities. They have nothing to do with their weight or appearance.
Look at Hermione & Ginny -- neither is ever described as exceptionally beautiful or even exceptionally pretty, and yet they're the ones that rope in the two leading characters, because of their intelligence, their bravery, their kindness. While neither is chubby or fat, they still send a very positive message to kids: It doesn't matter what you look like, what matters is who you are.
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